AlbertC
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New docs from Dec 2022:
Toronto 1860 Keele | 63.35m | 19s | Block | RAW Design
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artyboy123
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The new rendering has been updated in the database. The total storey count changed from 16 to 18 storeys. Full height changed from 48.77m to 63.35m. The total unit count changed from 235 units to 245 units. Finally, total vehicle parking was reduced from 99 car parking to 68 parking.
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Undead
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More units and fewer cars gives me a nice little fizzing sensation.
Northern Light
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Up for a Decision Report, approval recommended for the demoltion of existing rental housing (all units vacant), to the next meeting of EYCC:
PMT
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AlbertC
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Looking forward to early signs of urbanization at Keele & Eg!
Towered
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Me too, it needs it badly. Such an ugly intersection aside from the school.
AlbertC
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christiesplits
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Handsome building with a nice scale and massing for the stretch.
Resubmitted with the following changes:
Updated rendering:
Axo Perspectives:
- Total residential units increased from 245 to 272
- Total bicycle parking increased from 247 to 273
- Storey count has been reclassified as 19-storeys due to residential space in the lower mechanical level
Updated rendering:
Axo Perspectives:
jmi22
Active Member
This rendering initially threw me off with what looks like a freeway median. I thought, surely this was a mistake? But nope, very real. Guess I need to spend more time on Eg West.
But seriously, this is a very odd site in the city. Does anyone have the background on what happened here that prompted quite an aggressive form of traffic management?
Northern Light
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I'm 'guessing', but I think I can see a couple of fairly straight forward reasons.
So, you need to use Streetview facing the opposite way (south):
Here, you can see that Keele veers hard right (west), before straightening out again in a hurry to be straight south at Eglinton.
But note that side street that goes straight to Eglinton that's on centre with the Keele St right-of-way............that's actually Keele Street!
The shift to the west is actually called 'Yore', then the road briefly becomes Trethewey before becoming Keele again on the south side of Eglinton.
I can see several problems here.
Lesser: Drivers from the north who may not be familiar w/the road layout here and instinctually or via GPS may want to stay on Keele, and would naturally attempt to go straight south if that were allowed, crossing competing traffic from 'Yore' for which there is a poor sightline.
Greater: Cars from the southern flank of Keele (side street portion) attempting a left onto Keele/Yore with competing traffic coming from both straight and ahead and the left on a poor angle with a lousy line of sight as well.
The barrier inserted here precludes both of those movements. It forces SB traffic to the right/west along Yore, and prevents a NB to WB movements from Keele the lesser to Yore.
I suspect that would be your motivation, along with creating a visible deterrent to speeding for SB motorists, who might not be moving slowly enough otherwise to handle the sharp turn to the right. Keele here was likely a 60km/ph zone at one point, and that would see off-peak traffic running at 70km/ph routinely, then trying to swing a hard right on short notice.
I should add that Keele SB towards Yore/Eglinton is also downhill and may be prone to icing in winter.
jmi22
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I can only imagine there had to of been some pretty insane crashes, wonder what the insurance on the house on the corner looks like lol.
The old alignment seems to have been calmed at some point pre 2005. Maybe was apart of the slow removal of slip lanes in the old city?
What would you say is the long term solution to this, especially as the area grows? The median seems to do it's job, but is there a better overall traffic/public realm strategy that could be used?
The old alignment seems to have been calmed at some point pre 2005. Maybe was apart of the slow removal of slip lanes in the old city?
What would you say is the long term solution to this, especially as the area grows? The median seems to do it's job, but is there a better overall traffic/public realm strategy that could be used?
Northern Light
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As part of a larger discussion of the road network in the mid-west end, I had this to say in a different thread:
Black Creek Drive
Would you leave Black Creek Drive as is? Would you like to see it upgraded to an expressway? Converted into an arterial road with more intersections? A cycling route? Let's hear some ideas...
Ain't gonna happen as its a bucket load of cash, but still the right idea.
Looking narrowly at Keele, this development (proposed) actually sits in the way of one of the more straight-forward solutions, but the are other workarounds.
I very much favour unifying Keele here by having the road bearing that name north of Yore, flow smoothly into the road bearing that name south of Eglinton.
That's not overly complicated, but does involve buying some properties, or a few more than some, depending on how you draw that connection.
But you then have to do something different with Trethewey, it couldn't flow into Keele as it does today, and you can't just dead-end it at Yore. There are many different ways to handle it, but none are particularly cheap. So the likely answer will be to do nothing.
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If you wanted to keep things close to how they are, but try to mitigate the need for the unsightly median, introduce cycle tracks on Keele, reducing the number of travel lanes for cars from 4 to 2, this moderate speed, make the lanes as narrow as practical and add a landscaped buffer either btw the sidewalk and cycle track or between the cycle track and the road, and you're almost there. Narrow and harden the buffer where the road turns, and move the landscaping to the median, but leave it elevated about 1M above grade in a granite or limestone planter. That softens it, but still gives you your safety measures, and its less expensive and disruptive that my complete overhaul of the area road network.