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That article - like many others - had quite the Target hate on. I can't quite figure out why, but I recall Walmart got a similar reception back in the day. All I know is that I happily shop Target, get great deals and truly enjoy the experience of having attentive customer service...something that is rare here in Canada. And the stores are getting busier. The shelves are stocked, and things would appear to be righting themselves.
 
That article - like many others - had quite the Target hate on. I can't quite figure out why, but I recall Walmart got a similar reception back in the day. All I know is that I happily shop Target, get great deals and truly enjoy the experience of having attentive customer service...something that is rare here in Canada. And the stores are getting busier. The shelves are stocked, and things would appear to be righting themselves.

I am not sure what Target you were in but I too was recently in the Centrepoint location. The store was empty of people and merchandise. It looked like it was the final days of a store closing sale. And the staff did not have a clue when I asked them a question about a particular shirt.

The selection of (cheap asian made) merchandise is much smaller than Walmart's and the prices are certainly not lower. There is simply no reason to step into this store. Unless they come up with a different business model, they are doomed.
 
I am not sure what Target you were in but I too was recently in the Centrepoint location. The store was empty of people and merchandise. It looked like it was the final days of a store closing sale. And the staff did not have a clue when I asked them a question about a particular shirt.

The selection of (cheap asian made) merchandise is much smaller than Walmart's and the prices are certainly not lower. There is simply no reason to step into this store. Unless they come up with a different business model, they are doomed.

I nearly took your post at face value until you said "Cheap Asian-made"...um, where do you think everything, in every store, is made, exactly?
 
I am not sure what Target you were in but I too was recently in the Centrepoint location. The store was empty of people and merchandise. It looked like it was the final days of a store closing sale. And the staff did not have a clue when I asked them a question about a particular shirt.

The selection of (cheap asian made) merchandise is much smaller than Walmart's and the prices are certainly not lower. There is simply no reason to step into this store. Unless they come up with a different business model, they are doomed.

The real question is why Target would even think about opening in Centrepoint. Does anyone even shop there?
 
That article - like many others - had quite the Target hate on.

Huh? I don't think anyone, Target included, would call Target's roll-out into Canada as anything other than a disappointment. What specific parts of the article do you think are inaccurate, leading to this alleged "hate on"?

I can't quite figure out why, but I recall Walmart got a similar reception back in the day.

The opposite, actually. While the media is portraying Target's entry into Canada as troubled, Wal-Mart at the time it entered Canada was portrayed as a juggernaut. There are people who disliked Walmart, and still don't like it, and Walmart caused a lot of angst in some circles, but the reception was very different than what Target is facing. To the extent that people have been critical of either chain, it's typically been for very different reasons.

All I know is that I happily shop Target, get great deals and truly enjoy the experience of having attentive customer service...something that is rare here in Canada. And the stores are getting busier. The shelves are stocked, and things would appear to be righting themselves.

I'm glad you like it, but you understand that's anecdotal don't you? The fact that you like a store doesn't mean a analysis of the difficult situation that the chain faces is a "hate on".
 
I nearly took your post at face value until you said "Cheap Asian-made"...um, where do you think everything, in every store, is made, exactly?

No, you are certainly right to some extent. But they are not competing in the same category as a Holt's or even a store that has a lot of mid-range brand names like the Bay.
 
In addition to the inventory problems, I think a big part of the letdown is that unlike the American operation, Target Canada hasn't brought in much unique merchandise. In the US, Target doesn't compete with Walmart on price so much as they do style, and the best thing about the store are all the exclusive cool products you can't buy anywhere else. Here, they don't seem to offer much of anything you can't find at Walmart.
 
In addition to the inventory problems, I think a big part of the letdown is that unlike the American operation, Target Canada hasn't brought in much unique merchandise. In the US, Target doesn't compete with Walmart on price so much as they do style, and the best thing about the store are all the exclusive cool products you can't buy anywhere else. Here, they don't seem to offer much of anything you can't find at Walmart.

That's what I took Alklay's "Cheap Asian-made" comment to mean. Target in the U.S. might largely sell inexpensive products made in Asia, but they are known for stocking unique and stylish items. The narrative is that Target doesn't have the same range of goods here in Canada, so what they do sell really just the same old cheap Asian-made stuff you can get anywhere.
 
The article was written like a forum response, with language like "doom it to irrelevance" that, to me, made it come off as biased - not unlike the buzzfeed or Huffpost type photos of sad, empty shelves that circulated a few months ago.

I am not saying that Target wouldn't say the launch was a disappointment - they have been quite clear on that - but they didn't expect to be profitable either. So now that Canada is sucking money away to support new store openings and fix supply chain issues, articles like this are predicting they will close up shop entirely? After one year? Wal-mart did go through similar issues of adjusting customer expectations, especially in the way they took over existing Woolco stores. It wasn't until they got rid of the really bad locations, moved into larger stores, figured out the market, and built the Canadian head office that they became firmly established. It did not happen in a year.

It's true my impressions are "anecdotal" - but they are based on visits to quite a few stores in the past two weeks (Bramalea, Shoppers World, Milton, Burlington Appleby, Niagara Falls, Cloverdale) so not really one-offs.

In terms of merchandise, I haven't noticed much difference between the designer ranges stocked in the US vs. Canada. All of the 'signature' ranges are in the Canadian stores. However, I have noticed that the size of the stores dicates how much they carry...Milton is a tiny store and as such, they are missing quite a few of the lines.
 
The article was written like a forum response, with language like "doom it to irrelevance" that, to me, made it come off as biased - not unlike the buzzfeed or Huffpost type photos of sad, empty shelves that circulated a few months ago.

I am not saying that Target wouldn't say the launch was a disappointment - they have been quite clear on that - but they didn't expect to be profitable either. So now that Canada is sucking money away to support new store openings and fix supply chain issues, articles like this are predicting they will close up shop entirely? After one year? Wal-mart did go through similar issues of adjusting customer expectations, especially in the way they took over existing Woolco stores. It wasn't until they got rid of the really bad locations, moved into larger stores, figured out the market, and built the Canadian head office that they became firmly established. It did not happen in a year.

It's true my impressions are "anecdotal" - but they are based on visits to quite a few stores in the past two weeks (Bramalea, Shoppers World, Milton, Burlington Appleby, Niagara Falls, Cloverdale) so not really one-offs.

In terms of merchandise, I haven't noticed much difference between the designer ranges stocked in the US vs. Canada. All of the 'signature' ranges are in the Canadian stores. However, I have noticed that the size of the stores dicates how much they carry...Milton is a tiny store and as such, they are missing quite a few of the lines.

How is the commentary biased? You specifically mention language like "doom it irrelevance". What the article said, in its summary, is "Target is pursuing an outdated business strategy that could doom it to irrelevance". It then went on to explain how Target Canada has no online strategy whatsoever, and in building a new chain from the ground up it chose to follow an early 1990s model rather than a 2010s one. How is that not fair commentary? You don't need to agree with it, but that doesn't make it biased.

As for the photos on Buzzfeed and Huffpost, tales of the empty shelves at Target Canada were in practically every media outlet in the country, even making their way into U.S. media. It's not bias to report facts, and if photos/reports of empty shelves are biased, then the whole media must be biased. Target itself has admitted that its shelves were often empty and that it had serious supply chain issues. Is Target also biased (against itself)?

As for "they didn't expect to be profitable either" - that's just not correct. Target expected to be in the black by the fourth quarter of 2013 (having opened its first stores in March 2013). By January 2014, profits at Target Canada were predicted to be "years away", and it suffered a $941 million loss in its first year (Wall Street Journal says the loss was actually $1.6 billion).

Wal-Mart Canada, in contrast, *was* profitable in the fourth quarter of 1994, their first year of operation in Canada. All the issues you describe are simply
the ways in which the successful Wal-Mart became even better and more competitive after its first year. In contrast, Target Canada is trying to climb out of a hole. The experience of the two chains is completely different.

As far the goods stocked at Target, glad that you're finding what you want. But it seems most other people are not. As for the stores being smaller, that is an issue. The average shopper was expecting to see the same range of goods that the see in Target stores in U.S. - they don't give a flying f*ck about the GFA of the stores in Canada. That's the problem. I don't blame Target executives for the smaller stores, but it's nonetheless contributing to their overall problems in the Canadian market.

Having said all that, I don't mind Target (I never thought Target in the U.S. was all that great, so I wasn't disappointed by the Canadian version), and I shop there occasionally. I have no doubt that it is a work in progress, that they are working hard to improve the situation, and unlike some others I don't expect them to withdraw from the Canadian market (unless things take a really bad, and unexpected, turn for them in the U.S.). I would like to see a strong competitor for Walmart. But the Target performance thus far in Canada has been dismal, and I think it's ludicrous to say that articles that are justifiably critical of the performance are "biased" or have a "hate on".
 
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All but 4 of the stores they anticipate having open by the end of this year are former Zellers stores (i.e. the other 129). I would hope that they would at least get those 4 stores running smoothly. They've been promoting the Stockyards store all across town.
 
All but 4 of the stores they anticipate having open by the end of this year are former Zellers stores (i.e. the other 129). I would hope that they would at least get those 4 stores running smoothly. They've been promoting the Stockyards store all across town.
St. Clair West station has huge ads for the Stockyards Target.
 

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