And a Turk who was born in Sofia, whose parents were born in Sofia, whose grandparents were born in Sofia, etc. is from Sofia - pretending he's some Anatolian transplant that should go back were he came from is silliness at the least.
There are very very few Turks in Sofia. They are mainly marginalized in certain parts of the country, and live in misery.
They might have been converts a couple centuries ago, but today most of them are born in the faith.
And they were a small minority - but Islam represses women in the way that it pushed them into child bearing moreso than the labor force, their demographics changed. Islam would not be an issue in this region. It was forced into the region, people were forced to accept it against their will. This has caused many problems.
I was separating Europe into geographical regions. Albanians live in many regions under many governments. It doesn't matter to me if they had a higher birthrate than their Christian neighbours in the past. They're there now. There's been ethnic cleansing on all sides during the breakup of Yugoslavia, and mosques have made just as good targets as churches to fanatical nationalists. Does that excuse the destruction of churches in Kosovo? No, but let's not pretend Muslims/Islam caused that whole atrocious chapter in human history.
Islam has caused pain and suffering in the former Yugoslavia. This region is even questionable to the extent that it can be called European. You are clearly a muslim sympathizer, as you use the term Sandjzad - if you compared the part in serbia, Raska region, to serbia's total population you would see that it is not very significant.
The ethnic cleansing of Serbians under Croatia's fascist regime during WWII had nothing to do with tensions between the two ethnic groups, right? It was all the Muslims' fault, right? People will find stupid reasons to kill each other when times get tough.
I do not think that the Serbs and Croats had major/significant issues until that ww2 stuff. The nazi regime came to power in occupied croatia. I don't see why you even bother trying to bring up this non-sense. You are trying to divert the focus away from islam.
Go back less than a century and people were saying the same things about Jews as you are about Muslims. Back then it wasn't so easy for Jews to assimilate into European societies, and it was because Europeans wouldn't let them - similarities to what's going on with Muslims in Europe now, this steadfast refusal to see them as anything but foreign, is alarming and unfortunate.
The Jews do not expand as the Muslims do. That is the key difference that you seem to want to ignore. It's very big contrast - the domestic people who do not have many kids vs foreign muslims who have like 5 or more whose women do not work. Big contrast. They're already 10% of france's population. You gonna be happy when it gets to over 50% and they declare the islamic republic of france?
Sarajevo became predominantly Muslim when many residents converted to Islam under Ottoman rule (Manila became predominantly Catholic under Spanish rule too, etc.).
Sarajevo's area was always of a christian majority, always. The city itself had a dominant christian majority during the Yugoslav era. Then after ww2, thing started to change. Now it is an islamic city cleansed of most of its former christian inhabitants.
Hagia Sophia is no longer a mosque, but a public museum. I don't think you can expect any better when it comes to a building that is held dearly by two religions and two communities.
One religious community has been genocided. Nice.
While the christians exist in tiny numbers, the fact remains that their building has been stolen and fucked up. Turning a church into a mosque is disgusting!, as is turning any religious building into one of another religion.
The nation state is a lie. No country in Europe is populated solely by one native nation
Perhaps. But, people identify with that one nation as it binds them together based on common things. Poland for instance has pretty strong identity, and I would go and call it a nation state. One will not get to a point where there is 100%, even in Iceland, but when you're at 95% or 99%, it's pretty safe to say that it's a nation-state.
From your posts in this thread and in the gentrification thread you started away back when, I'm getting the impression that you're not a big fan of change at all - countries should stay the same, people should stay the same, and neighbourhood should stay the same.
I do not oppose gradual change. With neighborhoods - I do oppose the flushing out of people for their homes/property to be replaced by newcomers.
What we are dealing with in this topic is change on a far more drastic level. Islam is radically different and simply does not fit in with European values/culture/customs.
And what does that have to do with anything? As am I, and I understand where LAz is coming from. Spaniards see Islam as a huge threat as well; there are very few Europeans who don't.
Islam doesn't integrate, it tries to change the country it's in.
WHOAH WTF RACIST!
I thought that Europeans loved Islam so much and just can't wait for more Muslims to come in and replace their lands? This is why we must protest this undemocratic will of the people in Switzerland, which reflects the european ethos.
Maybe these people will wake up when they ban santa claus, like they did in islamified Sarajevo. But by then it would be too late. Like what kind of fucknuts ban santa claus? Wtf man. Wtf.
I have talked to muslims here and know many. They, like myself, are disgusted with lots of the culture here. Like how a kid can tell his mom fuck you bitch when told to clean their room. Spanking is child abuse here... so anyways, I do feel that there is much good stuff in islam. But similarly how they have these issues with some stuff, they have the same issues with other stuff that should not be issues at all. Why are they issues?- because Islam is an incredibly strict religion. Perhaps it is the most hardest religion. At any rate, it goes against human rights as we know them in the west. It is in major contrast to European values, and so people there have a problem with Islam spreading where it has no traditional foothold. I don't get why people are so surprised at this. I am surprised that there have not been more such referendums. Shit, I used to live in Ljubljana, Slovenia... building a mosque there was such a huge issue. Keep in mind, the country has none. I am not sure if they ended up building it at all, but it brought about widespread disgust among the slovenians.
Spread of religion = bad.
Spread of foreign religion onto domestic population = worse. We need integration, not change from foreigners who do not want to assimilate.
Merry Xmas LAz and all other Eastern Orthodox UT members!
