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Sunday noise ban sought

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Sunday noise ban sought
Jun. 14, 2006. 06:32 AM
DONOVAN VINCENT
CITY HALL BUREAU


Livia Prince says it's bad enough that she can't sleep in her bedroom during the week because of construction noise from the three monster homes being built across the street.

But she doesn't think she should also have to put up with the racket on weekends, too.

Last Sunday, Prince, 77, the owner of a modest one-and-a-half-storey home near Avenue Rd. and Lawrence Ave. W., said she had to endure about three hours of hammering in the afternoon. Someone on her street called the police. Problem solved for that day.

But Prince says enough is enough.

After putting up with construction noise on her street since 2000 from "infill work" at six other monster homes — developers tearing down bungalows and putting up multi-storey homes in their place — she says the least the city could do is implement a ban for Sundays and statutory holidays.

"We're entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of our property, but that's what we're being robbed of without any compensation," Prince said.

Before amalgamation, all municipalities save for the old city of Toronto had noise bans on Sundays and holidays.

Since amalgamation in 1998, Toronto has once considered a city-wide ban on construction noise for Sundays and statutory holidays. After hearing from the construction industry and hobbyists who work on their own homes, the city backed off.

The city's bylaw permits construction noise from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. on weekdays and 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. on weekends.

Now, the city's planning and transportation committee has put forward a plan calling for Sundays and holidays to be noise free, all day — but just in low-rise residential neighbourhoods.

But Councillor Howard Moscoe (Ward 15, Eglinton-Lawrence) doesn't like the sound of that. He says that's "discriminatory" toward people who live in highrise apartments and condos. He argues there should be a Sunday and holiday noise ban everywhere or no ban at all.

"More than half the people in the city live in highrise buildings. People who have condos deserve as much right to noise protection as people wealthy enough to own a single-family home."

The proposal for the ban in low-rise locales was on the agenda for last month's city council meeting, but Moscoe had it held up.

It's on the agenda again for today's council meeting, but Moscoe said he hopes to get it deferred again. He wants his proposal for an all-inclusive ban dealt with at the same time.

Councillor Karen Stintz, vice-chair of the planning committee, said a ban covering only low-rise residential makes sense. "If you can, imagine streets where they've had seven years of construction activity because of the demolition of homes and reconstruction of new homes and the pressures that puts on a street when the lot's only 25 feet (7.5 metres) wide," said Stintz (Ward 16, Eglinton-Lawrence).

The issue comes down to this: If you ban construction noise on Sundays and holidays in residential areas, you get a little resistance. Try doing it city-wide and there's lots of resistance.

That's because crews doing work on major roads, office buildings, hospitals and shopping malls use Sundays to do "tear downs" or dismantling of their equipment at the work sites.

"The difficulty is, (by including Moscoe's plan) we would actually be limiting construction activity in the downtown core, and areas where the best time to build is actually on the weekend and statutory holidays," Stintz said.

"This should have been a law ages ago," Livia Prince said. "No work on the day of the Lord, whichever god you worship. But when you worship the god of money, this is what happens."

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"No work on the day of the Lord, whichever god you worship."

Unless your Muslim or Jewish, in which case we work on your day of the lord and take our day of the lord off...

So, what does a "noise" ban mean? Can I cut my lawn or hang pictures in my house? Can I have my music playing as I BBQ in the backyard?
 
Cutting your lawn, hanging pictures in your house, or playing music while you BBQ in your back yard aren't "construction".

I've encountered the 7 a.m. startup time - which I think is unreasonably early - on my street occasionally. The most irritating sounds, for me, are when the police helicopter awakes me at 4 a.m., or when I'm surrounded on all sides by screeching kiddies in back yards, the laneway, and on the street. Oh, and that ice cream truck thet starts its message with a recorded, "HELLO ..." and followed by the tinkly music.
 
I've encountered the 7 a.m. startup time - which I think is unreasonably early - on my street occasionally. The most irritating sounds, for me, are when the police helicopter awakes me at 4 a.m., or when I'm surrounded on all sides by screeching kiddies in back yards, the laneway, and on the street. Oh, and that ice cream truck thet starts its message with a recorded, "HELLO ..." and followed by the tinkly music.

I HATE that ice cream truck noise - did you happen to live in Brampton? Our street had that truck, with that blasted music, every day from May to end of September, with the noise constantly going - I think because of the co-op townhouses not far away. Brampton put a by-law in prohibiting sales from commercial trucks in residental areas (was written specifically with ice cream trucks in mind), but they continue to break the law - and in Brampton, trucks didn't have a prominant vending licence number, so when you called to complain, there was little that could be done.

Then there was the guy across the park who would blast his music in his backyard, so loud, you could hear it two blocks away, and sometimes caused our house to vibrate. Condo living is so much quieter (believe it or not).
 
I don't mind the ice cream truck - at least the musical part of it. Now lawnmowers, car security alarms going off, muscle cars, etc, are a different story altogether.

AoD
 
The raccoons stopped having loud raccoon sex on the flat roof outside my bedroom window this spring, thank goodness.
 
Now lawnmowers, car security alarms going off, muscle cars, etc, are a different story altogether.

As with thumping car stereos, steroidal motorcycles, drunks tossing newspaper boxes, the neighbour's passive/agressive stereo volume, loud conversations in the alley at three in the morning, yelping neighbourhood dogs, house owners who tinker at home renovation without end (with no obvious success, but with considerable noise).

Quiet is getting a little too rare.
 
I used to live beside a day care centre and a fire station at the same time so I am used to noise from outside at annoying times.
 
I bought my condo in August 1997 after being a suburbanite most of my life. One Sunday I was in the apartment painting so we had the windows fully open. The bells at King James were ringing full out all afternoon. It drove me crazy. Made me think downtown living might be a mistake. It took me a while to realize Princess Diana had died the previous night, hence the bells. Haven't had a problem with the noise since.
 
I'm looking forward to the day when I hear the squel of metal on metal as the St. Clair Streetcar turns from the station onto Yonge again. Yonge and St. Clair has been too quiet of late.

Can one get a restraining order to stop loud, racoon sex?
 
The Sunday change-ringing (and Monday evening practices) is one of my favourite things about living at King & Jarvis.
 
But isn't ringing the cathedral bells on Sundays a bit of a busman's holiday for you, ap?
 
I have always wondered at the 7am early start for construction. I remember putting up with construction close-by (like right next door) on condos on three sides of the house I was renting for over 18 months. At first they would start at 7am and slowly try to sneak starting earlier and earlier until one day a construction worker was THROWING BRICKS into a METAL dumpster at 5:45am (you can imagine the racket that made). I called the City and they responded promptly and shortly thereafter they started at 7am again. However that didn't stop the construction workers from arriving in cars starting at 6am...slamming car doors, yelling to each other, gathering in groups talking loudly..all in a very quite residential street. I always check when I move now to see if there is imminent construction as I never again want to put up with months and months of it.

Ok this is rant..I know we need development, but surely we can think of ways of making it quieter. How about 8am to 8pm at least, noon to 8pm Saturdays and no construction on Sundays.
 
the early construction starts are usually a summer thing. if you start at 6am, and skip lunch and a noon break, you can be out of there by 1/1:30pm and avoid the hotter parts of the day.

but 7am starts are typical pretty much everywhere. most days by the time you check your prints, find your material, and get setup its 8, and i think that's more than reasonable on a weekday.

and its absolutely true about needing the weekends for some work. you try snaking an 18-wheeler onto a construction site on queen or dundas and see how easy it is with traffic and pedestrians and cyclists buzzing about. pretty much any material handling in the core needs to be done on the weekends, as well as any work that involves invading public or semi-public space
 
My new neighbours hired someone to rip apart most of their house and start again ( by the sound of it! ). The guy worked last week when I was at work, and on Saturday and Sunday during the day - lots of banging and crashing and piles of broken up stuff piled high in the back garden.

When I came home late on Sunday he was still at it, fitfully. A bit of banging, some scraping noises, things being dropped. I couldn't remember when the City's official "quitting time" was, though I was pretty sure he'd passed it, but I let it go. My other neighbours a few doors away had a huge Caribana party going on in their back garden that went on until midnight, and I couldn't sleep with that going on anyway.

But the renovations continued. Noise, followed by ten or fifteen minutes of silence. Just as I fell asleep it would begin again.

At 12:45 a.m. on Monday morning I called the police. What with all the Caribana parties ( I assume ) going on, the officer didn't arrive until 3:45 a.m. The guy stopped work when told to. But because the noise wasn't "continuous" I don't think the officer could do any more than tell him off.

The next day, a civic holiday, the City bylaw enforcement department wasn't open so I couldn't report it. But I told my neighbours all about it, as I went out the door to spread my magic across the city, on Monday afternoon. When I returned later that evening the house was silent and has remained so since.

I have decided not to call the city to report it, since what is done is done, but if it happens again I will.
 

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