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Strachan Ave. Georgetown/Milton Rail Corridor Grade Separation

All railway track crossings within the city of Toronto MUST be grade separated. It would help prevent incidents where pedestrians are hit by trains. Not just Strachan Avenue, but others crossings that are used by GO or VIA.
http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/524854

I don't see that story as justification to eliminate all crossings. The victim took the stupid and illegal risk of disregarding the barricade.

There are also smaller crossings around the city where it would be a waste of resources to grade separate.
 
It not that simple putting in grade separation?

Take a look at the crossing in Weston, as well the cross-town line, Old Weston Rd and you will see major tear down.

Weston is already up in arm over the Blue22 road closing of John St. The best way to do Weston is putting in a trench for the RR. Doing this will allow major streets to return to grade and have a better use of land there compare today. Not cheap to do.

In some places, roads would have to be cut in half and the RR becomes a wall separating the community on both sides of the RR.

Most grade separation bridges will cost between $10-$30 million depending on the width of the street as well numbers of tracks. If you need land, that cost has to be added. You need 25 feet clearance if going over and 15 under the tracks. Going under requires less area, but still can cause connecting roads to the underpass road to be relocated or close.

Even if all the roads are grade seperart, you will have ppl crossing the tracks at some short cut point as well walking along it that will get them kill or injury.

Taking a rough count, I would say you would be looking at close to $2 billion in the GTA to do grade separation, if not more.

Doing this will have major impact not only on GO, but all RR operations.

At it stands now, most grade separation will require 4 tracks if other RR use the same corridor with GO, otherwise, it will be 2 tracks.

It cost $20 million to put in an underpass on Mavis Rd a couple years ago that was the site of the great train derailment. The road was 6 lines with sidewalk and 3 tracks on it 100%. If they are now going to put a 4th track on the Milton line, this bridge will have to be expanded for that extra track.

As for Strachan Avenue, it had 8 tracks at one time and to meet future needs, there has to be 6 tracks in this area. The cost will be a lot higher.
 
All railway track crossings within the city of Toronto MUST be grade separated. It would help prevent incidents where pedestrians are hit by trains.
I can't recall another single incident where a pedestrian was accidently hit by a train at a level-crossing. The other incidents I'm aware of are all suicide, or very occasionally someone trying to cross the tracks at a location that isn't actually a crossing.

However, there are numerous incidents every day where pedestrians are hit by cars while crossing pedestrian crossings - or even on sidewalks. Perhaps we should grade separate all road and driveway crossings!
 
There comes a point at which traffic demands separation (e.g. Gardiner, DVP, 400 series). This is becoming the case at Strachan given the intent to run increased Georgetown line, increased Barrie line, new Bolton line and airport services. At Weston the issue is primarily a demand to trench the lines so the local streets remain open rather than simply closed as the least-cost solution or huge expropriation to permit ramping the road.

What's disappointing is the Weston Community Coalition, led by a failed NDP candidate, rallying against the Strachan separation because they would rather inhibit rail improvement in the Georgetown corridor than hope their advocacy will produce the result they want in Weston.
 
What's disappointing is the Weston Community Coalition, led by a failed NDP candidate, rallying against the Strachan separation because they would rather inhibit rail improvement in the Georgetown corridor than hope their advocacy will produce the result they want in Weston.

Are they really opposing this? That would be disappointing. Do you have an article or any info you could post?
 
I can't find any information showing that they are opposed to it, so I'm also for sources.

All I can find is a sentence on their website saying "why not here too?".

Lets be clear, they want more trains...
They just want:
a) the crossings to remain open
b) the trains to make all stops along the corridor
c) the trains to charge a regular fare
d) the trains to be modern, preferably electric

IE, they want GO in a trench.

The Weston Community Coalition has terrible PR. Absolutely... even beyond terrible. But their demands are reasonable.
 
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What's disappointing is the Weston Community Coalition, led by a failed NDP candidate, rallying against the Strachan separation because they would rather inhibit rail improvement in the Georgetown corridor than hope their advocacy will produce the result they want in Weston.

Speaking about disappointments, the behaviour of local NDP candidates is getting more disappointing every year. They seem to want to be the party of objectionable NIMBYism, which is ironic because NIMBYs are generally upper middle class homeowners who are opposed to progressive change in order to preserve their property values.
 
I don't see that story as justification to eliminate all crossings. The victim took the stupid and illegal risk of disregarding the barricade.

There are also smaller crossings around the city where it would be a waste of resources to grade separate.

In the day and age we live in people including children should not be dodging trains.Sooner or later they will electrofy the rail system and add bigger and faster trains,what happens then.Lets get this issue solved now and not in 20 years.

Again i keep on saying Canadas rail system is stuck in the 3rd world.
 
In the day and age we live in people including children should not be dodging trains.Sooner or later they will electrofy the rail system and add bigger and faster trains,what happens then.Lets get this issue solved now and not in 20 years.

Again i keep on saying Canadas rail system is stuck in the 3rd world.

Teach kids not to cross railway tracks when the arms come down. They're not stupid and the vast majority do not have a death wish. We shouldn't be spending billions of dollars on hypotheticals when that money is needed elsewhere. There is a bigger risk of getting hit by a car, bus, or a streetcar. The world cannot be made 100% safe for everyone.
 
Speaking about disappointments, the behaviour of local NDP candidates is getting more disappointing every year. They seem to want to be the party of objectionable NIMBYism, which is ironic because NIMBYs are generally upper middle class homeowners who are opposed to progressive change in order to preserve their property values.

Remember the NDP's heartland of support. The Beach, the Annex, Riverdale. Sounds pretty upper middle class to me.
 
According to the Friends of Fort York July 2010 Newsletter: ( http://www.fortyork.ca/newsletter/F&D_07-10.pdf )

The Pan Am Summer Games in 2015 are driving the schedule for rebuilding the Strachan Avenue bridge over the Georgetown rail corridor and for the lowering of tracks that is part of upgrading GO Transit’s service between
Union Station, Pearson Airport, and beyond. In Fall 2009, approval was given to an environmental assessment of these improvements. Enabling work—relocating utilities, rail signals, and tracks—will commence in November 2010.
However, the main part of construction will begin in Summer 2011, and continue to completion in Fall 2014. Throughout almost this whole period detours will keep traffic moving on Strachan. Also, to help people deal with the dislocation, GO Transit has opened an office where they can ask questions and get more information (Carmen Nisbet, 416-869-3600, ext. 5165).
 
All railway track crossings within the city of Toronto MUST be grade separated. It would help prevent incidents where pedestrians are hit by trains. Not just Strachan Avenue, but others crossings that are used by GO or VIA.
http://www.thestar.com/News/GTA/article/524854
As harsh as it sounds, there aren't enough pedestrian fatalities clustered within Toronto (rather than the GTA) to warrent the billions of dollars it'd take to do this, and there would still be fatalities as natural selection kicks into effect. A better use would be a full on hazard detection system that recognises when something is in the rail corridor that shouldn't be.

It's like saying most car crashes happen at intersections, so they should all be grade seperated. Sure, they should, but can we afford it and is there a cheaper and better option?

I don't see where the money for this will come from. Metrolinx had to cut funding for most major projects to protect ARL and a couple other "political necessities". The assignment for the Strachan Ave development was already tendered last fall, so Metrolinx will already have their own plan regardless of what city planners prefer.
 
It doesn't seem like a good idea to have level crossings on busy train lines because:
- A collision halts train service, often for several hours which can delay many thousands of commuters
- If train service is increased enough, level crossings will be closed to road traffic all the time (this will become a problem when the airport rail link opens)

See for example the problems that Japan has because there are many level crossings on busy commuter train lines (which have subway-like frequencies). We wouldn't put traffic lights on the 401 would we?
 

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