Sheppard Line 4 Subway Extension (Proposed)

[afransen]

Eliminating transfers is the only thing that matters.

Doesn't matter if it makes the passenger experience worse (see also - the Milton GO bus), as long as we don't experience the horror of transferring everything else is all good.

If transfers are no biggie, why does Sheppard East need to be subway? Let's do surface LRT and save a few billion.

 

[T3G]

I agree. The Sheppard subway was a boondoggle that should never have occured. There is no point in extending that boondoggle further out.

 

[duty free]

I agree. The Sheppard subway was a boondoggle that should never have occured. There is no point in extending that boondoggle further out.

yes.

take this funding and put it towards a subway line that parallels Line 2 south of Bloor. the city desperately needs a line like that, but that wouldn't be "fair" or buy precious votes.

 

[rbt]

yes.

take this funding and put it towards a subway line that parallels Line 2 south of Bloor. the city desperately needs a line like that, but that wouldn't be "fair" or buy precious votes.

Or literally upgrading Line 2. There is $5B of SOGR maintenance (signals, rolling stock, maintenance facility upgrades, ...) ready to go on that line which would improve reliability and increase capacity without even funding fancy additions like platform doors.

That said, I have no objection to an elevated extension of Sheppard (past the DVP). Tunnelling is overkill, despite being in vogue.

 

[micheal_can]

If the line were to go to the airport, and connect to Line 2, and even be extended out to Pickering, this line could be busy enough to warrant it being a subway.

 

[junctionist]

yes.

take this funding and put it towards a subway line that parallels Line 2 south of Bloor. the city desperately needs a line like that, but that wouldn't be "fair" or buy precious votes.

We might also need the money to put the surface part of the Crosstown LRT underground, as well, if it proves a failure in terms of trains running quickly and on time.

 

[81-717]

I agree. The Sheppard subway was a boondoggle that should never have occured. There is no point in extending that boondoggle further out.

Au contraire, the only reason it's currently a "boondoggle" is because it's so short. Extending it would make it a full-fledged subway line and a boondoggle no more.

If the line were to go to the airport, and connect to Line 2, and even be extended out to Pickering, this line could be busy enough to warrant it being a subway.

Exactly (not necessarily airport & Pickering, but ShW to STC/McC definitely.

 

[duty free]

We might also need the money to put the surface part of the Crosstown LRT underground, as well, if it proves a failure in terms of trains running quickly and on time.

that will probably happen eventually as well.

as soon as it opens people in Scarborough will complain that they got the Dollarama portion of the line.

 

[mikey7767]

that will probably happen eventually as well.

as soon as it opens people in Scarborough will complain that they got the Dollarama portion of the line.

because it's true. We did get the Dollarama portion of the line. A portion that stops at traffic lights, and has extremely long red lights at every intersection. If you drove past it, you'd see. It turns red long before parallel traffic turns red, which is just stupid. And between Victoria Park and Warden, it's faster to run on the sidewalk on Eglinton than the above ground boondoggle in Scarborough.

 

[micheal_can]

Au contraire, the only reason it's currently a "boondoggle" is because it's so short. Extending it would make it a full-fledged subway line and a boondoggle no more.

Exactly (not necessarily airport & Pickering, but ShW to STC/McC definitely.

If the line goes to the airport, that means it connects both sides of Line 1. It also gives that subway connection to the airport.

 

[Adjei]

because it's true. We did get the Dollarama portion of the line. A portion that stops at traffic lights, and has extremely long red lights at every intersection. If you drove past it, you'd see. It turns red long before parallel traffic turns red, which is just stupid. And between Victoria Park and Warden, it's faster to run on the sidewalk on Eglinton than the above ground boondoggle in Scarborough.

That’s because we allow it. There are many places around the world where their lrt or trams aren’t stopping at red lights.

 

[11th]

That’s because we allow it. There are many places around the world where their lrt or trams aren’t stopping at red lights.

Or perhaps many places around the world would have the trains fly over or under intersections, if the roads they are on have a similar role as Eglinton has been assigned to be.

 

[81-717]

If the line goes to the airport, that means it connects both sides of Line 1.

Sure, but it only needs to go as far as ShW to connect both sides of line 1. I'm not sure whether extending it to YYZ is necessarily the best option for improving connectivity to YYZ.

 

[Voltz]

Au contraire, the only reason it's currently a "boondoggle" is because it's so short. Extending it would make it a full-fledged subway line and a boondoggle no more.

Exactly (not necessarily airport & Pickering, but ShW to STC/McC definitely.

If there has ever been a ridership study that demonstrates a Sheppard subway will have sufficient ridership, especially enough to make it a full-fledged subway, then it must be the most closely guarded secret ever.

 

[micheal_can]

Sure, but it only needs to go as far as ShW to connect both sides of line 1. I'm not sure whether extending it to YYZ is necessarily the best option for improving connectivity to YYZ.

It would fit in with the plan to make it a hub.