GraphicMatt
Looking forward to a FRESH START for Toronto
Hey, neat, an FAQ.
I think this is a little disingenuous because it seems to sort of imply that Toronto has $15 billion of committed Transit funding, which it does not. How much of your plan could you execute with existing funding?
The TTC is currently studying the Downtown Relief Line as well and Toronto Council has stated its support for making its construction a priority, so this doesn't really do much to separate SOS from the status quo.
This is a good point, though do any of your lines aside from the DRL (Which isn't unique to your plan) really do anything to change YUS being the only way to get downtown?
It doesn't really matter if people are transferring from a subway or a bus or a streetcar if they're still transferring to YUS.
This is a bit of a moving target and I don't really buy your logic - what cities need is an effective transit system. The technology itself is irrelevant as long as it works well.
Running more frequent buses as opposed to LRT has a higher operational cost, which you should probably account for.
You'll need to wait a day or so. I just got some feedback back from the group, and I'm doing some changes to sections right now, so showing you the most recently-posted version would not be an accurate representation.
I can however show you this, which is an FAQ I wrote up yesterday to post on our website:
Debunking Move Toronto
Q: Won’t this plan cost more than Transit City?
A: Transit City is a 15 year plan, projected to cost $15 billion. The 15 year portion of Move Toronto will be cost-neutral to Transit City, also costing $15 billion. Not included in either of those estimates are the Downtown Relief Line (DRL), the Spadina Subway extension, or the Yonge Subway extension. They are being funded independently, but are included in Move Toronto.
For the same cost as Transit City, Move Toronto will provide true, grade-separated rapid transit to many areas of Toronto.
I think this is a little disingenuous because it seems to sort of imply that Toronto has $15 billion of committed Transit funding, which it does not. How much of your plan could you execute with existing funding?
Q: Will Transit City help reduce congestion at Bloor-Yonge station, or on the subways leading into downtown?
A: No. There is nothing in the Transit City plan that will reduce congestion at Bloor-Yonge station, or on the Yonge and University lines south of Bloor. If Transit City succeeds at boosting ridership, it will likely make the congestion even worse.
However, Move Toronto is proposing the Downtown Relief Line (DRL), a wider U-shaped line passing through downtown which, according to Metrolinx, will take approximately 17,000 rush hour passengers off the Yonge-University-Spadina subway south of Bloor.
The TTC is currently studying the Downtown Relief Line as well and Toronto Council has stated its support for making its construction a priority, so this doesn't really do much to separate SOS from the status quo.
Q: Will Transit City help reduce congestion on the subway network at all?
A: No. The entire Transit City plan is based around dumping LRT riders onto the existing subway network. Under Transit City, there are no new subway lines or extensions inside the 416. This will only increase congestion on existing subway lines that are already congested. In essence, Transit City is a $15 billion project to make it more efficient for people to reach a backlog on the subways.
Move Toronto proposes several new subway lines, which will have several advantages. They will relieve the existing lines by providing passengers more rapid transit options. They will also provide service to areas that are currently under-served. They will also mean shorter travel times on your local bus in order to reach the subway system.
This is a good point, though do any of your lines aside from the DRL (Which isn't unique to your plan) really do anything to change YUS being the only way to get downtown?
It doesn't really matter if people are transferring from a subway or a bus or a streetcar if they're still transferring to YUS.
Q: Aren’t LRTs being built in big cities all over Europe?
A: Yes, they are. But nearly all of these European cities already have well developed subway networks, covering nearly the entire city. These LRT lines are being built to ‘fill in the gaps’ in the subway network. Toronto does not have an equivalently large subway network, and LRTs are not a substitute for subways. They are slower, can hold fewer people, and are susceptible to red lights, traffic accidents, and inclement weather.
LRT lines are well suited for secondary corridors in the city, once the subway network has been fully developed and is suitable for a city of Toronto’s size, not before.
This is a bit of a moving target and I don't really buy your logic - what cities need is an effective transit system. The technology itself is irrelevant as long as it works well.
Q: Isn’t BRT less effective than LRT?
A: In the case of many of the proposed Transit City lines, no. Many of those lines will have relatively low off-peak usage, resulting in wait times as long as 10 minutes. Move Toronto includes BRT lines instead of LRT lines. Because buses can hold fewer people than LRT trains can, they will run more frequently, resulting in less wait time.
The BRT lines that will be used in Move Toronto are also designed to carry people on short, 5-15 minute trips to the closest subway stop. This is very different from Transit City, in which passengers may be on an LRT train for over half an hour before finally reaching a subway stop.
Running more frequent buses as opposed to LRT has a higher operational cost, which you should probably account for.