Same-Sex Marriage Passes Second Reading

[unimaginative2]

C-38 passed second reading 164-137, pretty much as expected. I can post a list of how MPs voted if you want. Of course, now it just has to get through committee consultations, third reading and the senate before it can receive royal assent. Obviously the parliament will have to survive into the fall for that to happen.

Also interesting today, there was a tie on a private member's bill to provide for consecutive sentences in criminal offences committed with a firearm. It was supported by a curious mix of the Conservatives, NDP and some Liberals. The bulk of the Liberals and the Bloc opposed the bill. The speaker broke the tie by voting in favour, which he is obliged to do in order to continue debate.

 

[shawnmicallef]

It was such a screwed up day in Parliament today - with all that race-baiting stuff, and KKK accusations. Some of these people!

 

[spmarshall]

This week was fun - the Conservative implosion and seeing the NDP-Liberal budget bill pass the way it did was great to see. Kudos to both parties for getting it through.

Now to finish up C-38.

 

[GeekyBoyTO]

Well, even the Liberal backbenchers against C-38 is more or less conceding defeat.

What a way to cap off Pride week.

GB

 

[Archivistower]

And it's law! Too bad so sad for those opposed. I'm pleased, if only because I thought the "debate" was giving a forum to homophobia, and because I think we can move on to other issues now.

Here's a letter I sent to Real Women a few days ago. I'd like to write them again tonight. I normally don't like smug, but with that hateful organization I can't resist.

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Dear Real Women,

I'm sure with the recent budget passage, the extension of parliament, the New Brunswick same sex marriage decision, and now Gay Pride celebrations in Toronto, this is a difficult weekend for you. In a spirit of reconciliation, I write to wish you the best Gay Pride weekend you can have under the circumstances, and to assure you that it won't be so bad after all. We are your relatives, your neighbours and your co-workers, and in time you and your children will value, rather than disparage, the diversity in the great changing experiment that has always been the Canadian experience.

Happy Pride Real Women!

 

[GeekyBoyTO]

One side of me almost wanted to see Harper (if he ever got into power) try to turn back the clock. The very fact that he is talking about it clearly suggested that it's far too early to let down one's guard.

Before I spoil the party, it must be said it's a proud day for me to be a Canadian.

GB

 

[adma]

If Harper turned up at the Pride Parade, he would have said, "Don't soak me"

 

[FutureMayor]

YAY CANADA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Louroz

 

[unimaginative2]

I'm certainly thrilled. I'm quite excited and a bit surprised that they got it all through this session. Harper's attempt to paint the passage of the bill as illegitimate because it has separatist support borders on the ridiculous, considering their alliance to bring down the government only a few weeks ago. More humourously, without the separatists, the Liberals would have a majority!

 

[Jarrek]

How they voted:

www.parl.gc.ca/38/1/parlb...tes-E.html

(Division No. 156 -- Vote no 156)
YEAS: 158, NAYS: 133
POUR : 158, CONTRE : 133

YEAS -- POUR


Adams
Alcock
Anderson (Victoria)
André
Angus
Augustine
Bachand
Bagnell
Bains
Barnes
Beaumier
Bélanger
Bell
Bellavance
Bennett
Bevilacqua
Bigras
Blaikie
Blais
Blondin-Andrew
Boire
Boivin
Bonsant
Boudria
Boulianne
Bourgeois
Bradshaw
Brison
Broadbent
Brown (Oakville)
Brunelle
Bulte
Carrier
Carroll
Catterall
Chan
Christopherson
Clavet
Cleary
Coderre
Comartin
Côté
Cotler
Crête
Crowder
Cullen (Skeena—Bulkley Valley)
D'Amours
Davies
Demers
Deschamps
DeVillers
Dhalla
Dion
Dosanjh
Drouin
Dryden
Duceppe
Easter
Emerson
Eyking
Faille
Folco
Fontana
Frulla
Fry
Gagnon (Québec)
Gagnon (Saint-Maurice—Champlain)
Gagnon (Jonquière—Alma)
Gauthier
Godbout
Godfrey
Godin
Goodale
Graham
Guarnieri
Guay
Guimond
Holland
Ianno
Jennings
Julian
Kadis
Karetak-Lindell
Keddy (South Shore—St. Margaret's)
Laframboise
Lalonde
Lapierre (Outremont)
Lapierre (Lévis—Bellechasse)
Lavallée
Layton
LeBlanc
Lemay
Lessard
Lévesque
Loubier
Macklin
Marceau
Marleau
Martin (Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca)
Martin (Winnipeg Centre)
Martin (LaSalle—Émard)
Martin (Sault Ste. Marie)
Masse
McCallum
McDonough
McGuinty
McGuire
McLellan
Ménard (Hochelaga)
Ménard (Marc-Aurèle-Fortin)
Minna
Mitchell
Moore (Port Moody—Westwood—Port Coquitlam)
Murphy
Myers
Neville
Owen
Paradis
Peterson
Pettigrew
Phinney
Picard (Drummond)
Pickard (Chatham-Kent—Essex)
Plamondon
Poirier-Rivard
Powers
Prentice
Proulx
Ratansi
Redman
Regan
Robillard
Rodriguez
Rota
Roy
Russell
Saada
Sauvageau
Savage
Scott
Sgro
Siksay
Silva
Simard (Beauport—Limoilou)
Smith (Pontiac)
St. Amand
St. Denis
Stoffer
Stronach
Telegdi
Temelkovski
Thibault (West Nova)
Torsney
Valeri
Valley
Vincent
Volpe
Wrzesnewskyj

Total: -- 158

NAYS -- CONTRE


Abbott
Ablonczy
Allison
Ambrose
Anders
Anderson (Cypress Hills—Grasslands)
Batters
Benoit
Bezan
Bonin
Boshcoff
Bouchard
Breitkreuz
Brown (Leeds—Grenville)
Cannis
Cardin
Carr
Carrie
Casey
Casson
Chamberlain
Chatters
Chong
Comuzzi
Cummins
Cuzner
Day
Desjarlais
Devolin
Doyle
Duncan
Epp
Finley
Fitzpatrick
Fletcher
Forseth
Gallant
Gallaway
Gaudet
Goldring
Goodyear
Grewal (Newton—North Delta)
Grewal (Fleetwood—Port Kells)
Guergis
Hanger
Harper
Harris
Harrison
Hearn
Hiebert
Hill
Hinton
Hubbard
Jaffer
Jean
Johnston
Kamp (Pitt Meadows—Maple Ridge—Mission)
Karygiannis
Kenney (Calgary Southeast)
Khan
Kilgour
Komarnicki
Kramp (Prince Edward—Hastings)
Lastewka
Lauzon
Lee
Longfield
Lukiwski
Lunn
Lunney
MacAulay
MacKay (Central Nova)
MacKenzie
Malhi
Maloney
Mark
Matthews
McKay (Scarborough—Guildwood)
McTeague
Menzies
Merrifield
Miller
Mills
Moore (Fundy Royal)
Nicholson
O'Brien
O'Connor
Obhrai
Oda
Pacetti
Pallister
Perron
Poilievre
Preston
Rajotte
Reid
Reynolds
Richardson
Ritz
Savoy
Scarpaleggia
Scheer
Schellenberger
Schmidt (Kelowna—Lake Country)
Simard (Saint Boniface)
Simms
Skelton
Smith (Kildonan—St. Paul)
Solberg
Sorenson
Steckle
Stinson
Strahl
Szabo
Thibault (Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques)
Thompson (New Brunswick Southwest)
Thompson (Wild Rose)
Tilson
Toews
Tonks
Trost
Tweed
Ur
Van Loan
Vellacott
Wappel
Warawa
Watson
White
Wilfert
Williams
Yelich
Zed

Total: -- 133

 

[Fighting Madd]

Apparently Layton bannished a MP to the back benches for voting against the legislation. So much for allowing freedom of expression in the NDP. I would expect such behaviour from the Liberals, especially under Creitien. Getting back to the NDP, since when did a party made to represent the working, socialist, blue collar man deem that gay issues are a priority?

For me, the best approach to the SSM issue would have been a simple referendum. Ask the people of Canada for their view on what marriage should and should not include. Seems silly if SS is allowed to disallow consensual polygamy or consensual close-incestual marriage. No, I'm not inferring that we start the old slippery slope debate. Instead I'm suggesting that, if marriage rules are so important that they must tie up the courts, senate, provinces and commons for months and months, perhaps we should let the people decide directly what marriage should mean.

 

[blixa442]

Looks like some parts of the NDP have a hidden agenda.

 

[cdl42]

"since when did a party made to represent the working, socialist, blue collar man deem that gay issues are a priority?"

Issues of equality and progressive policies have always been part of the NDP's/CCF's agenda. See their stances on foreign aid, environmentalism, progressive tax policies. The inevitable conflicts between labour-minded members and progressive-minded members do happen, but likely pale in comparison to the conflicts that occur within the other parties. If you can’t see a connection between a workers’ party and equality issues then you must be blind.

Don't forget that the Netherlands was one of the first two countries to legalise gay marriage and several Scandinavian countries were the first to legalise civil unions, all of which are pretty damn "socialist".

Federally, these days the NDP is moving away from its labour roots and trying to become a progressive, diverse urban party.

 

[drunknsubmrnr]

A referendum on what question?

Kevin

 

[building babel]

"Do you want to stop people from having the same rights as you do so you can maintain your privileges?" perhaps?