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Torontovibe said:
Or Transit City. I still find it crazy, how quickly and easily Ford was able to get rid of Transit City after all those years of study, planning and consultation.
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However that was a central talking point of his campaign. He was elected on getting rid of gravy, killing Transit City, and building suburban subways. He wasn't elected on killing Olympic bids, shutting down the Waterfront Toronto Revitalization Corp, etc. If the Fords are able to do whatever they want then a lot of blame needs to go on councilors that are being complete pushovers and who aren't planning ahead what items they are going to bring to meetings.
 
Torontovibe said:
Or Transit City. I still find it crazy, how quickly and easily Ford was able to get rid of Transit City after all those years of study, planning and consultation. It makes no sense at all. Now all the planning and MONEY that has been spent to develop a plan for the Portlands, is just thrown down the drain, just like that. How does this happen in a sophisticated city like Toronto? I thought we had a city council but obviously, they have no backbone or principles.
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Hes the mayor, he should be able to do that. Why dont you run for mayor if you dont like him. Transit City was not a viable plan seeing as the traffic in toronto streets is increasingly worse and lrt systems on the street would only cause more clutter with three cars blocking an intersection on a left turn rather than one. The Portlands are being developed in a far better manor than private residential properties that Waterfront Toronto had planned littered with a few small parks here and there with little public access. The city council may not have back bones (idk?) but they definately have common sense seeing as Rob Ford plans are whats best for the city and voting him out next term would make it worse because then a new mayor would scrap his plans and pick new ones all over again.

ROBS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY! GO ROB FORD!
 
EnviroTO said:
However that was a central talking point of his campaign. He was elected on getting rid of gravy, killing Transit City, and building suburban subways. He wasn't elected on killing Olympic bids, shutting down the Waterfront Toronto Revitalization Corp, etc. If the Fords are able to do whatever they want then a lot of blame needs to go on councilors that are being complete pushovers and who aren't planning ahead what items they are going to bring to meetings.
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They arent push overs, these things get passed because they are in agreement with Rob Fords good decisions for the city like cutting a useless and expensive Transit City plan.
 
StCatharinesCitizen said:
ROBS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY! GO ROB FORD!
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Dictatorship FTW! The majority of Torontonians did not vote for Rob Ford and his policies should not be forced onto anybody. We have a very diverse city council that is supposed to both support and question the Mayor. If the Mayor is given ultimate power, there would be no point in having a council to begin with. Also, I'm not sure why opponents of Transit City always focus on its negative impacts to cars rather than its positive impacts for transit users. It was not a perfect plan by any means, but you can't deny that it would have helped out hundreds of thousands of people in the inner suburbs.
 
StCatharinesCitizen said:
They arent push overs, these things get passed because they are in agreement with Rob Fords good decisions for the city like cutting a useless and expensive Transit City plan.
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Rob Ford wouldn't know a good decision if he tripped over it.

Replacing a $1-billlion rapid transit LRT line that was fully funded and would open in 2013 with a $5-billion subway that isn't necessary is a good decision? Really?

That man is a despicable piece of work. He's a bully, a bigot, a convicted criminal. This was quite clear during the election, and even those so stupid to actually vote for him are now figuring it out.
 
nfitz said:
Rob Ford wouldn't know a good decision if he tripped over it.

Replacing a $1-billlion rapid transit LRT line that was fully funded and would open in 2013 with a $5-billion subway that isn't necessary is a good decision? Really?

That man is a despicable piece of work. He's a bully, a bigot, a convicted criminal. This was quite clear during the election, and even those so stupid to actually vote for him are now figuring it out.
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nfitz.... Stop trying to turn this into another Ford is evil thread.

Question his decisions, his policies and behavior while in office but lay off the bigot/criminal allegations. They have nothing to do with the topic. The issue is Ford and how he performs as mayor. I think Ford is probably just mostly ignorant and incapable of understanding culture/transit issues and can't see past his bean counting mentality.

I confess though that his plans for the portlands seem.....silly.
 
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nfitz said:
Rob Ford wouldn't know a good decision if he tripped over it.

Replacing a $1-billlion rapid transit LRT line that was fully funded and would open in 2013 with a $5-billion subway that isn't necessary is a good decision? Really?

That man is a despicable piece of work. He's a bully, a bigot, a convicted criminal. This was quite clear during the election, and even those so stupid to actually vote for him are now figuring it out.
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Wow is this some sort of HATE ROB FORD CULT.

First of all, get your facts straight. The Transit City plan was to recieve 17.5 billion dollars in Ontario and Canada (governments) funding over 12 years. Thats not including the city's portion. Even if it was cost effective, the plan includes throwing hundreds of large vehicles (much larger than current streetcars) onto torontos already packed streets. It is more reliable to make an above ground or below ground system that is independant and immune to street traffic delays.

Also, again, get your facts straight. Right from the ttc website.

"Metrolinx cost estimate for the combined project is $8.2B (2010$)"

Still far less than the origional plan and far more logical.
 
StCatharinesCitizen said:
Wow is this some sort of HATE ROB FORD CULT.

First of all, get your facts straight. The Transit City plan was to recieve 17.5 billion dollars in Ontario and Canada (governments) funding over 12 years. Thats not including the city's portion. Even if it was cost effective, the plan includes throwing hundreds of large vehicles (much larger than current streetcars) onto torontos already packed streets. It is more reliable to make an above ground or below ground system that is independant and immune to street traffic delays.

Also, again, get your facts straight. Right from the ttc website.

"Metrolinx cost estimate for the combined project is $8.2B (2010$)"

Still far less than the origional plan and far more logical.
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Yeah but 8.2 billion for everything. Now we get 2 lines for 14 billion.
 
Marcanadian said:
Dictatorship FTW! The majority of Torontonians did not vote for Rob Ford and his policies should not be forced onto anybody. We have a very diverse city council that is supposed to both support and question the Mayor. If the Mayor is given ultimate power, there would be no point in having a council to begin with. Also, I'm not sure why opponents of Transit City always focus on its negative impacts to cars rather than its positive impacts for transit users. It was not a perfect plan by any means, but you can't deny that it would have helped out hundreds of thousands of people in the inner suburbs.
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The council is not made to bicker with the Mayor. They are elected to represent their individual communities which voted them in and follow their values. The Mayor is voted in to represent the people as a whole. There may be councillors who question that, but if the majority of them agree, it is passed. Simple politics.

I wish I could agree that it would help but it wouldnt. The lrt systems would be travelling slow as hell through areas without designated lanes. They would also block intersections for other passing lrts. Toronto is a city of commuters who use cars. You need to start outside before you start in. This is why GO Transit is essential and they are making drastic improvements and planning a faster and more reliable future. Subways also need to reach further into the suburbs rather than filling the streets with tracks, wires and small trains.
 
StCatharinesCitizen said:
no the 8 billion is for the current project check the ttc website. The previous was 17.5 billion over 12.5 years not including city funding.
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What are you talking about. Transit City before was $8.7B. The currently approved amount is still $8.7B and now only builds one of the three lines. There is a need for $5.1B to finish the Ford plan that doesn't exist yet and it will still cover much less of the city than originally proposed (i.e. it will not run under Finch and will not go past Scarborough Centre).

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...to-rob-fords-plan-for-the-ttc/article1933258/
 
StCatharinesCitizen said:
Wow is this some sort of HATE ROB FORD CULT.

First of all, get your facts straight. The Transit City plan was to recieve 17.5 billion dollars in Ontario and Canada (governments) funding over 12 years. Thats not including the city's portion. Even if it was cost effective, the plan includes throwing hundreds of large vehicles (much larger than current streetcars) onto torontos already packed streets. It is more reliable to make an above ground or below ground system that is independant and immune to street traffic delays.

Also, again, get your facts straight. Right from the ttc website.

"Metrolinx cost estimate for the combined project is $8.2B (2010$)"

Still far less than the origional plan and far more logical.
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Your thinking and grasp of the facts is as good as mayor Doug's own.
 
StCatharinesCitizen said:
Wow is this some sort of HATE ROB FORD CULT.

First of all, get your facts straight. The Transit City plan was to recieve 17.5 billion dollars in Ontario and Canada (governments) funding over 12 years. Thats not including the city's portion. Even if it was cost effective, the plan includes throwing hundreds of large vehicles (much larger than current streetcars) onto torontos already packed streets. It is more reliable to make an above ground or below ground system that is independant and immune to street traffic delays.

Also, again, get your facts straight. Right from the ttc website.

"Metrolinx cost estimate for the combined project is $8.2B (2010$)"

Still far less than the origional plan and far more logical.
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nfitz was referring strictly to the Sheppard line. The LRT that would have run along that street is significantly less expensive than the subway Rob Ford proposes.
 
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