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MetroMan said:
Let's put it this way: I lean left politically but I would vote for John Tory in a heart beat. This is his if he wants it.
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I'd have voted for him in the last election. He's a bit right ... but he has the kind of integrity and intelligence that Ford and perhaps Smitherman were lacking (and let's make it clear ... while Smitherman might have been a bit lacking ... it's pretty clear to me that Ford is in a whole different category on this one).

But will Tory be too long in the tooth - which was Panatlone's main failing ... not so much too old, but Pantalone seemed to have no fresh ideas.
 
When are we going to start seeing proof instead of sources? I'm so bored and tired of all this. I want it all to just come out on the table now, so we can start moving past it all.
 
nfitz said:
I'd have voted for him in the last election. He's a bit right ... but he has the kind of integrity and intelligence that Ford and perhaps Smitherman were lacking (and let's make it clear ... while Smitherman might have been a bit lacking ... it's pretty clear to me that Ford is in a whole different category on this one).

But will Tory be too long in the tooth - which was Panatlone's main failing ... not so much too old, but Pantalone seemed to have no fresh ideas.
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I don't think age is an issue in municipal elections, considering the demographic turnout.

And I lean quite far left, and I adore Chow. I know both her and Tory and I would be very torn. Tory is a class act who, despite having been born into the Lucky Sperm Club like the Fords, attempted to do something with his privilege. I am not sure he succeeded as a businessman but I don't think cities should be run like businesses. I think they should be run to serve their citizens, and in the public interest.
 
...and that maybe a rational/sensible/ethical/reasonable/fucking human small-c conservative is what we need most right now.
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He only looks that way because you are comparing him to Rob Ford. A trained baboon would seem a rational and sensible alternative to Rob Ford.

And that's what makes Tory dangerous....he seems like a benign conservative. But there is no such thing. He's still a conservative, and he still endorsed Rob Ford for mayor, so he isn't too smart. Tory had everything handed to him by his daddy...otherwise he's a loser politically. At least Rob Ford won an election.

Tory has been very smart biding his time and being everyone's favorite uncle with his radio show. Tory is either tired of being a ten-time loser in politics, so he may not have the stomach for another campaign. I guess it depends who runs....if Chow does, I find it hardly likely he will.
 
Ex-Montreal Girl said:
I know both her and Tory and I would be very torn. Tory is a class act who, despite having been born into the Lucky Sperm Club like the Fords, attempted to do something with his privilege. I am not sure he succeeded as a businessman but I don't think cities should be run like businesses. I think they should be run to serve their citizens, and in the public interest.
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Yeah, I have nothing but the highest respect for him.
 
Silence&Motion said:
I sometimes wonder if Tory had beat Miller back in 2003 if he might have turned out to be a mayor in the mold of Michael Bloomberg: A business-friendly conservative on paper who nonetheless pursues a progressive, urban agenda. Although maybe I'm letting time and Rob Ford's mayoralty skew my memory of how right-wing Tory came across back then.
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Just to possibly err on the side of pragmatism---Tory comes off a lot better now than he did then because he's a private citizen with no obligations to any political movement. If he were to start up another campaign, with all the handlers and advisors and polls that come along with such a thing, I imagine he'd hook back into the machine and do and say whatever was necessary to appeal to the conservative base. That would, I think, take a lot of the shine off for middle of the road voters who feel like he's a pretty good guy at the moment. That's not even a criticism, just an observation of the process. I thought John McCain seemed like a pretty good guy until he ran for president.

Another scary part of Rob Ford's legacy is the success of Nick Kouvalis' "us vs them" campaign style, which the next person running for Mayor on a conservative platform is going to probably find too tempting to resist emulating.
 
OSS 117 said:
Just to possibly err on the side of pragmatism---Tory comes off a lot better now than he did then because he's a private citizen with no obligations to any political movement. If he were to start up another campaign, with all the handlers and advisors and polls that come along with such a thing, I imagine he'd hook back into the machine and do and say whatever was necessary to appeal to the conservative base. That would, I think, take a lot of the shine off for middle of the road voters who feel like he's a pretty good guy at the moment. That's not even a criticism, just an observation of the process. I thought John McCain seemed like a pretty good guy until he ran for president.
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That's the one legitimate worry I'd have: Tory the person versus Tory backed by the Conservative machine.
 
Gavin said:
That's the one legitimate worry I'd have: Tory the person versus Tory backed by the Conservative machine.
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There isn't really much of a "Conservative machine" in Toronto. Lastman was basically an alliance of Conservatives and right-leaning Liberals (just as Miller was a sort of NDP/Liberal alliance) and Ford was a bit of a weird populist renegade. He was however the toast of the town among Canadian Conservatives for "winning in socialist Toronto" (sic.) until quite recently.
 
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