Rob Ford's Toronto

[AlvinofDiaspar]

No one knows if it's actual terrorism. There could be any number of things going on with the shooters. Maybe they're just nutjobs.

Considering the timing and apparent pre-planning, it sounds more than a nutjob to me.

AoD

 

[JWBF]

I wonder if the Fords have any Hail Mary tricks left up their sleeves.

An assault on Dougie or the "Taxpayers Paid For This Express" that people would care about.

 

[kbdid]

No one knows if it's actual terrorism. There could be any number of things going on with the shooters. Maybe they're just nutjobs.

They are nutjobs who carried/are carrying out terrorism, we just don't know what type of terrorism it is (Islamic? Right Wing? Anti Government, a combo?)

 

[OSS 117]

Oh, they probably think they have tricks. Problem is, their gambits always fall flat.

Yeah, their idea of a trick was the Tory-Charter Communications thing. That one went over like a lead balloon.

 

[TJ O'Pootertoot]

While you are correct, terrorists I think can be called nut jobs. That said, it's either terrorism or a huge coincidence of recent attacks aimed at our military personnel. I for one believe little in coincidences.

Yeah, they shot a soldier at a war memorial and went into the main government building, which they parked outside of. I don't think it's a stretch to attach political motives to it. Could turn out to be random but on balance of probabilities, I think "terrorism" is a safe bet. The way the guy got into Centre Block suggests there was some research involved; he knew where he was going.

I also doubt it has anything to do with Mallala. Why would they hit Ottawa when the PM is going to be here, in Toronto, with her later today? (Or was - he just cancelled.)

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Yeah, they shot a soldier at a war memorial and went into the main government building, which they parked outside of. I don't think it's a stretch to attach political motives to it. Could turn out to be random but on balance of probabilities, I think "terrorism" is a safe bet. The way the guy got into Centre Block suggests there was some research involved; he knew where he was going.

I also doubt it has anything to do with Mallala. Why would they hit Ottawa when the PM is going to be here, in Toronto, with her later today? (Or was - he just cancelled.)

What I find "odd" (small mercies) is that they are using rifles and not something higher-powered. Almost like they went and grabbed something that's most readily available.

AoD

 

[kaboi]

the former Socknacki organizer is saying Ford is last (any remaining undecideds are not considering Ford)

Link?

 

[OSS 117]

On the topic of realness, I was shocked when a coworker told me this week that she supports Doug "23 Lies in One Debate" Ford because he's "real". I just about lost it! I can almost see how some might consider Rob to be "real", though he's a liar too, but Doug?

I think for some people fat=real.

 

[Niagarawatcher]

What I find "odd" (small mercies) is that they are using rifles and not something higher-powered. Almost like they went and grabbed something that's most readily available.

AoD

Rifles can be very high powered. They just don't hold a lot of bullets. And they are at best semi-automatic.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Rifles can be very high powered. They just don't hold a lot of bullets. And they are at best semi-automatic.

Sorry about my nomenclature - what I meant by power is more along the lines of rate of fire and ammunition load (mass carnage potential)

AoD

 

[Yaitsme]

Very true. Shootings aren't unheard of in Ottawa. Happened at OCTranspo a few years back, and the Parliament Buildings are a conspicuous target for anyone with a murderous axe to grind.

Gone are the days where organized folks did this stuff. I think the internet has really opened up a pandora's box of lone wolves. And that plays into what the more organized folks are happy about. It's like how the dawn of social media meant marketers had less work to do. We all do it for them.

Sad.

 

[JWBF]

Neil Flagg and his nutso followers are now boycotting the Sun over their Tory endorsement. If the Post follows suit what will they read?

They really have gone "triple wacko nuclear nutbar" in their pursuit of all things Ford; they can seem to leave Tory alone, especially to believe he's Conservative.

 

[OSS 117]

No one knows if it's actual terrorism. There could be any number of things going on with the shooters. Maybe they're just nutjobs.

Yeah, it's way too early. If it's not an organized thing then it's not really terrorism.

 

[animatronic]

My number one concern has always been the safety of the water supply.

Prior to 9/11 the public was encouraged to tour our "water palaces" to instill confidence. And palaces they were. They are all locked down now.

Water is pretty low in the terror list - too much volume to do anything bad. Terrorism doesn't need to be complicated - could be as simple as a a packed subway car, a can of gasoline and a match.

 

[kaboi]

Why am I not surprised that this inside comment barely received a shrug in this thread? Is it FoFam fatigue? Is it just the most obvious? I wonder if TO Media laid off the angle, fearful of a who's who of TO famous folks? Maybe RoFo financed and advertised the product, while having his fucking minorities do the dirty work? It makes tonnes of sense RoFo blowing through money, and even more that DECO could be in trouble with FoBros running it.

Referring to the possibility that Ford was in business with Lisi and not just a run of the mill user, if it received a bit of shrug in the thread this time, it's perhaps because that ground has been covered quite a few times here since the first ITO was released. For the keeners of UT, many of whom read the ITO releases cover to cover, it was hard not to conclude that they were doing more than just getting together to drink vodka and piss in parks.

My assumption remains that Ford was bankrolling Lisi. Lisi is clearly a guy who likes to get people to pay for things for him (e.g., Range Rover in someone else's name) and Ford is desperate for some cool factor (e.g. he was excluded from his brothers' hash dealing empires back in high school). I would even venture that this aspiration to some kind of messed up street cred has been more important to Ford than any extra money it brings in. Ford and Renata don't lead an extravagant lifestyle - they're addicts who need money for their addictions, their fast food diets, and decent clothing to put some polish on it all. I think it's more about feeling important and independent and to show his brothers he's just as capable as they are ("See Doug? I can sling dope too!")