News   Nov 13, 2024
 407     0 
News   Nov 13, 2024
 551     4 
News   Nov 13, 2024
 702     2 

Rob Ford's Toronto

Status
Not open for further replies.
More evidence that Rob Ford is literally hurting business (from noted left-wing liberal socialist rag, the National Post):

The Wychwood Heights BIA wants to hire a marketing firm to do damage control because "they’re being negatively impacted by some of the [the mayor's] comments [RE: the St. Clair Disaster myth]."
 
The mayor doesn't care much for BIA's either. He's likely under the misinformed assumption that their some sort of socialist union plot.
 
Curious as to why a pro-union mayor (Miller) had the long garbage strike. And an anti-union mayor (Ford) has been able to settle all these contract talks with minimal disruption of service, usually with no strike at all.

Wouldn't you expect a pro-union mayor to not have unions striking and and anti-union mayor having all the unions against him?

What's going on here? Why haven't we seen angry inconvenient drawn-out strikes when contracts have come up for renegotiation under Ford?

Now I know Ford's really fat and therefore a moron because fat people are stupid (as this thread compellingly argues) but surely there's got to be some other explanation?

Why have the unions given Ford such an easy ride. And why were they so hard on Miller?
 
Yes, clearly Ford is a cunning negotiator and we've misjudged him terribly.

If we were wrong about this, perhaps we've been wrong about ..... everything :-O
 
Why have the unions given Ford such an easy ride. And why were they so hard on Miller?

One reason may be that from day one, Ford has been a known threat to city workers. Conversely, Miller was a friend who became, to some, a traitor. Another reason may be that city workers felt excluded from the up-and-onwards vision for Toronto that Miller represented whereas Ford propagates a vision of a city in all-out decline. It may be because Miller never wanted a huge fight (I doubt he could ever pull off a lock-out), but Ford would love nothing more than a big dispute with the unions.

I'm inclined to believe that, regardless of who was mayor, CUPE was more interested in smoother negotiations this time around. They know that the last strike was a PR disaster for them, and I doubt they'd want to further alienate the people of the city - people whose support they'll need when more significant concessions are demanded in the future. Ford is a really unpopular guy right now - by conceding to certain demands from the city, the unions look like the sane ones in the room by comparison. They hope this will, on some level, generate some good will in an otherwise hostile citizenry. Note how the Fords' crazed attacks on the libraries have led to tremendous good will in the city for library workers - workers who did go on strike under Ford not having done so under Miller (regardless of the fact that the librarians' union was negotiates with their board and not City Hall directly).

In the end, I'd honestly like to hear your answer to these two questions:
1) How much did Miller really lose to the unions when the contracts were finally signed?
2) How much has Ford really gained during this round of negotiations?
 
Still can't answer the simple question, "Why no stikes under Ford if he's so anti union? Why long strike under pro-union Miller?"

Other than "no strikes under Ford" being a false statement...what makes you think there is a correlation = causation link in the first place? How many union contracts did the city negotiate without a strike during Miller's terms as mayor?

People who refer to loaded questions as "simple" questions are funny.
 
This is great! So far, we've got:

1. Ford is a strong leader and a skilled negotiator and the unions are afraid of him and his committee, whereas Miller is a weak NDP baby who let the unions walk all over him,
2. Conspiring unions, ironically taking notes from the Republican playbook, are willing to accept a compromise now in order to rebuild political goodwill for later, and
3. Rob Ford weighs a lot of pounds.

How are we doing, hawc?
 
Libraries were on strike.

Anyone who thinks Ford is sitting at the table doing the negotiating is kidding themselves.
 
The Globe and Mail: Rob Ford's female troubles

Team Ford is about to lose one of its rare female players.

Jaye Robinson, a fiscally conservative freshman councillor, has decided to quit the mayor’s executive committee at the end of the year.

Part of the reason is her desire to reassert her independence. Part of it is the mayor's bungling of the subway file. And part of it is Ms. Robinson's own weariness at trying to be a moderating force on an administration that does little in moderation.

“What is our vision for the city? What is the strategy? What is the plan? That’s been missing in the Ford agenda,†she says. “Unless there’s a significant change in approach – and I haven’t seen any indication of that – then I would not participate on executive in the second part of the term.â
 
Yes, clearly Ford is a cunning negotiator and we've misjudged him terribly.

If we were wrong about this, perhaps we've been wrong about ..... everything :-O

One option is to give Doug Holiday credit for the negotiation and Rob Ford none. If this is true, then you must also give Karen Stintz most of the blame for the transit mess and confusion.

The other option is to give Ford credit for the contract negotiations and give Ford the blame for transit.

I would say the former is closer to the truth.
 
It isn't quite so "either, or" as you portray it.

Ford is clearly to blame for the transit confusion. His self-assumed dictatorial cancellation of Transit City is what created the mess, and all subsequent wrangling stems from that action.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top