Les Nessman
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JWBF
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Cancelling of The City I'm sure had everything to do with advertisers taking more money out of the radio station then putting in it from the media circus.
It's difficult to speak hard truths when you have been outed as a moral hypocrite. The Ford brothers have to reformulate the dogma of their cult of Fordistas.
It's difficult to speak hard truths when you have been outed as a moral hypocrite. The Ford brothers have to reformulate the dogma of their cult of Fordistas.
James_D
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So, official? Manuvsteele trolling?
Forty Fs
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Delurking to give many many many pluses to this:
Re Diane Ford being an old money WASP, no way in hell. I know that subculture pretty well, my mum's family comes from it (not so much money any more) and Diane and her kids hit SO MANY WASP taboos. Yelling and screaming insults in public (even openly disagreeing with people can be dicey in WASP social circles). Talking openly about money ("I donate my salary, what more do you want") and ambition ("you can serve a couple of terms and then it'll be Robbie's turn"). Airing their dirty laundry, or even just stuff that's private (Robbie's weight, their family meeting, her emotions hurting for her son because he's "being attacked"). Trashing things like the arts and libraries: even conservative WASPs who want those things privately funded instead of publicly funded will not describe them as worthless or unnecessary as Doug did.
A parent from an old money WASP background whose kids carried on the way Rob and Doug do would be deeply, deeply embarrassed.
Further, Diane Ford doesn't speak the language or have the manners. She is not that articulate and has a hint of hoser accent. The Ontario old money WASP people her age I know have accents like, say, Donald Sutherland or Stephen Harper -- which is to say, not nearly so strong. And no old money WASP lady in her '70s that I know even owns a pair of jeans and a T-shirt with a tattoo design, let alone would wear them to be interviewed on TV.
I'm not meaning to suggest any of these values are unique to old money WASPS -- if anything, I think the Fords' let-it-all-hang-out style is rarer -- but the Fords' total lack of recognition for the WASP social rules demonstrates to me that Diane is not an old money WASP.
Re Diane Ford being an old money WASP, no way in hell. I know that subculture pretty well, my mum's family comes from it (not so much money any more) and Diane and her kids hit SO MANY WASP taboos. Yelling and screaming insults in public (even openly disagreeing with people can be dicey in WASP social circles). Talking openly about money ("I donate my salary, what more do you want") and ambition ("you can serve a couple of terms and then it'll be Robbie's turn"). Airing their dirty laundry, or even just stuff that's private (Robbie's weight, their family meeting, her emotions hurting for her son because he's "being attacked"). Trashing things like the arts and libraries: even conservative WASPs who want those things privately funded instead of publicly funded will not describe them as worthless or unnecessary as Doug did.
A parent from an old money WASP background whose kids carried on the way Rob and Doug do would be deeply, deeply embarrassed.
Further, Diane Ford doesn't speak the language or have the manners. She is not that articulate and has a hint of hoser accent. The Ontario old money WASP people her age I know have accents like, say, Donald Sutherland or Stephen Harper -- which is to say, not nearly so strong. And no old money WASP lady in her '70s that I know even owns a pair of jeans and a T-shirt with a tattoo design, let alone would wear them to be interviewed on TV.
I'm not meaning to suggest any of these values are unique to old money WASPS -- if anything, I think the Fords' let-it-all-hang-out style is rarer -- but the Fords' total lack of recognition for the WASP social rules demonstrates to me that Diane is not an old money WASP.
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facepalming_brooklynite
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The thing is, racist and homophobic comments are nothing new for him, and Ford Nation clearly has condoned (or tacitly endorsed) them in the past. (as Councillor Gord Perks noted in the letter that is circulating)
I really hope Chow is going to run, because I think this multicultural city desperately needs more non-white, non-British-descendent leadership (and non-male too). But I'm also worried about the amount of hatred that will be thrown at her. Sure, it will look like "anti-lefty" anger on the surface, but for many, the real motivation for spewing vitriol at her will be racial hatred.
eastcoastanddown
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Yep. CowboyLogic strikes again.
LordWanker
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SFO
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It occurred to me that in a weird way that this will create a full circle: Ford built his rep in part on his volunteer work with these (supposedly) disadvantaged, at-risk kids. Now he's going to be seen on video saying what he really thinks about them. There have been a lot of low points but I bet that's going to look like one of the lowest.
Until the next thing, that is
ParkdalePetunia
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Aren't AM640 and Newstalk1010 the same parent company though?
Also, I thought it was announced on Tuesday that the judge had already ruled to release the wiretaps? Why would their still be arguments?
Coltaine79
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Really, advertisers are choosing not to support 1010 because of the Ford radio show? I find that hard to believe. Capitalists are, by definition, greedy, and would love the attention all the Ford Nationites are giving to that radio show.
I hope not, because this would turn centrists back towards Ford Nation.
What this city needs is NOT a leader of a certain color/ethnic descent/sex - but one who is intelligent, visionary, diplomatic, co-operative, articulate, and of ethical conduct.
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rightwingSUVdriver
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See, I don't know. First of all, many Ford supporters may not be galled by the mention of "fucking minorities" and JT being a "fag." This might just line up with their views. Secondly, and most obviously, Rob Ford's homophobia and racism are already on the record. There's the AIDS comment, the unwillingness to validate Pride, the comment about orientals working like dogs, "Gino boy," and probably many more that I'm not aware of. On top of that, these new ones will fall under the umbrella of his 'drunken stupor.' Just another "embarrassing" thing he said in a state that he "hope
AlvinofDiaspar
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Tewder:
Racism and homophobia is deplorable, of course - but in the context of his supporters (even soft ones) they aren't likely to be issues that would crucify him. Drug use and criminal behaviour is far more damaging given the law and order bent among this segment (the sane part anyways) of his supporters.
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PS: See rightwingSUVdriver just pointed it out
Racism and homophobia is deplorable, of course - but in the context of his supporters (even soft ones) they aren't likely to be issues that would crucify him. Drug use and criminal behaviour is far more damaging given the law and order bent among this segment (the sane part anyways) of his supporters.
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PS: See rightwingSUVdriver just pointed it out
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basic
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Agreed. I expect many among Ford Nation agree with Rob's comments and will happily tell you how they hate all that political correctness crap
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