AlvinofDiaspar
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There's no evidence of either side, really. You're trusting a modeling report you've never seen.
Err, there are a zillion traffic modelling reports done on zillon permutations of having the Gardiner removed - some of which I have already posted in other threads pertaining the Gardiner. Where are the modelling reports that shows delays of the gloom and doom category?
I think I will put more "trust" on them than unsubstantiated fears, if you don't mind.
There is heavy traffic though. On the Gardiner alone there are 120,000 vehicles a day. There's another road of similar capacity underneath it. I generally see the same number of cars (well, actually more) on the Lake Shore as I do on the Gardiner. So, let's say, all told...200,000 vehicles a day?
You are guessing. Where are the counts to back it all up?
The waterfront has been, and will continue to be, developed with the Gardiner extant. You're arguing that the only way forward is to tear down the Gardiner. That's flatly wrong.
Which is one reason why the waterfront area had been rather sucky, to say the least, and stretches of it will continue to be sucky as development move forward.
The current scheme proposed doesn't benefit anyone! Pedestrians and Cyclists will have to contend with even MORE traffic, and the city will lose the only cross-town route that bypasses inner city traffic.
Interesting, perhaps you should ask cyclist and pedestrians what they would prefer?
But whatever, around and around we go. You would much rather cross a surface highway, I'd much rather cross underneath an aerial one (and out the area under it to productive use).
Actually, yes I would. I have absolutely no qualms about crossing a high speed arterial route like University Avenue (and guess which one most people prefer to either cross or walk along?), and there is NO reason why traffic speed cannot be managed depending on the time of the day. Failure to consider these alternatives and positing "either-or" scenarios is the real lack of imagination which you so often deplore.
AoD