UrbanAffair
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Not if they are looking to be reelected by the 905.Wonder now will they toll the roads?
Not if they are looking to be reelected by the 905.Wonder now will they toll the roads?
nope.Wonder now will they toll the roads?
. The proposal will ensure their long-term sustainability for the benefit of drivers and commerce across the Greater Toronto Area as untolled highways.
given on the Boston fiasco i doubt any govt in north america would even remotely consider this.It's 100% the right deal. It's rare to see the major highways of a city fall under municipal responsibilities.
I doubt the Gardiner cap ex plan changes much, but I am hopeful the province would eventually consider burying it.
which interchange should be modernised and how? looks like they need to do a lot of expropriations to do so.nope.
the press release specifically says:
The language of the press release is also very explicit in expressing the desire for the long-term preservation of the highways i.e. preventing their demolition. I suspect Ford was incensed by the demolition discussions years ago and sees this as an opportunity to protect the Gardiner and DVP over the long term from demolition.
If anything, this opens up the potential for expansion and modernization of the facilities. If the DVP becomes an extension of the 404, MTO would probably want to do a lot of modernization of the road and interchanges at a minimum, if it doesn't look to add HOV lanes to it.
nope.
the press release specifically says:
The language of the press release is also very explicit in expressing the desire for the long-term preservation of the highways i.e. preventing their demolition. I suspect Ford was incensed by the demolition discussions years ago and sees this as an opportunity to protect the Gardiner and DVP over the long term from demolition.
If anything, this opens up the potential for expansion and modernization of the facilities. If the DVP becomes an extension of the 404, MTO would probably want to do a lot of modernization of the road and interchanges at a minimum, if it doesn't look to add HOV lanes to it.
@Northern Light helpfully pointed out that the Province won't be widening them - so that eliminates that option. I really don't think an HOV lane on the DVP would be the worst thing, however, especially since one already partially exists. Potentially increase occupancy levels to 3+ or bus only, even.which interchange should be modernised and how? looks like they need to do a lot of expropriations to do so.
wonder if they can flatten the grade in the sections crossing the valley over time. the up and down is what causes most of the traffic jams these days... that and improve driver ed to mitigate people driving too slowly and afraid of lifting and coasting.
My wish list would be a commuter rail right up the middle of the DVP/404 from Steeles to Union.It’ll be interesting to see what the province ends up doing with them upgrade-wise. They obviously can’t really be widened anymore, but they can still be greatly improved.
To be fair, Boston had a lot more complexity to deal with, with multiple subway lines existing in the ground, all within the purview of the plan.given on the Boston fiasco i doubt any govt in north america would even remotely consider this.
...in terms of interchange modernization, I'm thinking about interchanges like Eglinton and particularly Lawrence, which will be the last full cloverleaf interchange in the province in a few years one the last few on the 401 are replaced. The 401 interchange desperately needs some tweaking as well.
Honestly I think the traffic planners have ZERO connection to reality, when the eastern ramp existed look how long it took for traffic to turn left onto carlaw? The genius planners say all that traffic plus the dvp traffic who would have to turn again and go onto an on ramp would take less than 4 mins? Just like closing 3 out of 4 lanes on lakeshore was “only” supposed to add 8 mins and added 3-4 hours to people’s tripsGreat deal!
Now Torontonians (Urban Toronto) can stop complaining about the cost of the Gardiner and get on with their lives.
And no more of this nonsense about disconnecting two major highways from each other and have them spill on to surface roads.
On the down side it seems like Ontario Place is doomed to be whatever Ford wants and seems like Ontario Science Centre is for sure going to get torn down and replaced with condos.
But c'est la vie.
Would it run as express? I can’t really think of a good station point at any spot in betweenMy wish list would be a commuter rail right up the middle of the DVP/404 from Steeles to Union.
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DoFo's wish list likely included a doubling of the Gardiner, like in pre-1989 earthquake San Francisco.
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Doesn't this basically exist already in the form of the Richmond Hill line?My wish list would be a commuter rail right up the middle of the DVP/404 from Steeles to Union.
DoFo's wish list likely included a doubling of the Gardiner, like in pre-1989 earthquake San Francisco.