Post on TTC running 24/7

[drum118]

TTC can run train 7/24 for most of the line that is not effected by maintenance.

All they got to do is to run a shuttle bus between the sections of the line close because of maintenance.

There was talk at a TTC meeting about going 7/24 and how to do the maintenance. What could happen is part of the system would be shut down on the weekend for 30-48 hrs and this would allow more work to be done than the current method.

Lack of funds for maintenance in the past has caughtup to the point there is more work time require than shut down time.

In the short window for maintenance, you are not getting much done. Time to move stuff, setup and take down eats up those short window time.

If TTC could do this weekend closure, it would cut done on the lenght of time to do the maintenance as well cleaning up the back log of work to be done. Once this is done, then it will be years before maintenance would be require.

You still need to do your nightly inspection.

To shut down the line for 30-48 hours will have an impact on the riders, but are they willing to put up with it for a weekend or two compare to the months it may take using current method?

There will be some riders who will say no, but most would say yes if they are going to get 7/24 service and see less maintenance down time.

 

[miketoronto]

I am sure it would not cost that much to run trains latter into the night on Friday and Saturday nights.

First of all, they would need less crew, as they would not have to shuttle out 30 buses to go up and down Yonge. They could probably get away with what, 3 trainsets to offer a 15min service on the subway?

They don't need ticket collectors at each station either during that time. Offer some sort of automated system of entry.

 

[Ed007Toronto]

Don't they need someone at every station in case something happens, say a health issue or crime?

 

[drum118]

It would have to be either a 2 pack or a 4 set since they are pair up.

There is no 30 buses on Yonge St at night, more like 7 buses since service is every 15 minutes.

You can offer 15 minutes service on the subway lines also.

As for stations, you cut the service to the ones that see very few riders now and that would cut the need for tickets takers. You would get more of an express train. You still need someone at the stations for safety reasons.

 

[ceytie]

The TTC faces budget shortfalls every year. How can 24/7 subway service be justified when the TTC can't run enough buses during rush hour to keep up with demand? It seems silly to think providing service to drunk people is more of a priority than riders in peak hours.

 

[Ed007Toronto]

Exactly. Just leave the club earlier if the night bus doesn't work for you or take a cab. Or live nearby and stumble home.

 

[miketoronto]

Transit is suppose to adapt to the needs of the residents who live here.

If it does not, people will just vote with their car, which they are already doing.

Thats why Toronto is at its lowest levels of transit use, since the TTC started in 1921. TTC won't adapt and people will just use their cars.

Thats why transit use into downtown Toronto for evening trips has declined(according to the City of Toronto), while car travel is increasing into downtown. The reason? TTC does not offer good enough late night service.

 

[jamerinbow]

And the fact that this is a North American trend has nothing to do with this whatsoever. Yeah, right.

And I guess the fact that the TTC's night service has dramatically increased since 1980 is irrelevant. No, the facts just don't matter, do they?

 

[esplanade guy]

I think the subways should run to at least 1 hour after bar closings, just to give people an option to not drive their cars. (and not have to deal with the vomit comet, Yonge st bus, late at night. God, how I hate that bus!)

 

[miketoronto]

Its not a North American trend. Some NA cities are at their highest transit use like Calgary, or at their highest transit use in decades.

Toronto never went with the trends. We built NA most transit friendly metro area at a time everyone else was shoving their residents into cars.

According to the city of Toronto report more people aer driving downtown for late night entertainment, because in the big cuts in 1996, the TTC cut a ton of late evening service on many routes.

Theres no doubt improved late night service would be amazing.

Lets start with extending the Don Mills night bus to the entertainment district. That would relieve so much congestion on the Yonge bus. But the TTC won't do it.

 

[Brighter Hell]

Its not a North American trend. Some NA cities are at their highest transit use like Calgary, or at their highest transit use in decades.

mike, do you even know the meaning of the word "trend?" every rule has exceptions.