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PM Justin Trudeau's Canada

lenaitch said:
The fact that the go-to position is partisan is part of the reason why we don't take national security seriously and why other nations have little faith in us.
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Pierre Poilievre's decision not to obtain a security clearance is 'interesting' and does raise very valid questions and even more concerns about his fitness to be our PM, god forbid!.

"NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre's failure to obtain a security clearance sends ‘a message to the Indian government that there’s one leader who is willing to look away.’ The RCMP alleged Monday that agents of the Indian government have played a role in widespread violence in Canada."

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lenaitch said:
The fact that the go-to position is partisan is part of the reason why we don't take national security seriously and why other nations have little faith in us.
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How exactly can this be made perfectly non-partisan? If the RCMP ends up charging one party's members more than another because those are facts of the case, it will still be viewed as partisan. And when you have parties refusing to even participate in the process, that makes it even worse.

Our major parties are all substantially compromised. The CPC is way too close to India. The LPC is way too close to China. And the NDP almost acts like Gaza is our 14th territory. The Bloc, ironically, may be the only honest party on foreign policy.
 
DSC said:
Pierre Poilievre's decision not to obtain a security clearance is 'interesting' and does raise very valid questions and even more concerns about his fitness to be our PM, god forbid!.

"NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre's failure to obtain a security clearance sends ‘a message to the Indian government that there’s one leader who is willing to look away.’ The RCMP alleged Monday that agents of the Indian government have played a role in widespread violence in Canada."

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Some might wonder that, to be a member of the Privy Council and a member (or aspirant) of the Executive (PM + Cabinet) a condition would be an ability and willingness to hold a security clearance.
 
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kEiThZ said:
How exactly can this be made perfectly non-partisan? If the RCMP ends up charging one party's members more than another because those are facts of the case, it will still be viewed as partisan. And when you have parties refusing to even participate in the process, that makes it even worse.

Our major parties are all substantially compromised. The CPC is way too close to India. The LPC is way too close to China. And the NDP almost acts like Gaza is our 14th territory. The Bloc, ironically, may be the only honest party on foreign policy.
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It probably can't be, but a sworn witness at an enquiry made a statement that is more at home during question period. It would have been just as accurate and truthful to say that he is aware of 'some parliamentarians involved in foreign interference'.
 
kEiThZ said:
Maybe. On the other hand authoritarian governments always accuse every opponent of being a terrorist.
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I suppose, but Sikh-affiliated operatives have blown up an airliner killing 268 Canadians, assassinated a Commonwealth Prime Minister, and murdered Canadians on our own soil. Conflicts within India aside, clearly our Sikh community has some issues which I wish they'd leave behind when the become Canadians. I was born in the UK, but beyond chatting with some relatives I have no political, religious or cultural ties to the place, and nor do I follow the domestic issues there - my home is Canada. And what's with the Sikh gangs in BC behind this latest plot? I wouldn't even know how to find other UK-born Canadians to make a gang. As the nation's invisible immigrants we English are too busy building lives and families.
 
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Admiral Beez said:
I suppose, but Sikh-affiliated operatives have blown up an airliner killing 268 Canadians, assassinated a Commonwealth Prime Minister, and murdered Canadians on our own soil. Conflicts within India aside, clearly our Sikh community has some issues which I wish they'd leave behind when the become Canadians. I was born in the UK, but beyond chatting with some relatives I have no political, religious or cultural ties to the place, and nor do I follow the domestic issues there - my home is Canada. And what's with the Sikh gangs in BC behind this latest plot? I wouldn't even know how to find other UK-born Canadians to make a gang. As the nation's invisible immigrants we English are too busy building lives and families.
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Whatever the issues (of that or another community), do you want Canadian law enforcement enforcing the law or foreign agents meting out their version of justice at will. Cause if we don't get a handle on this, it won't stop with India.

Edit: Will add too that Nijjar was 8 yrs old when the Air India bombing happened. Most of those involved in that attack are dead or close to dead. At this point, that bombing is mostly being used simply as a way to invalidate the Khalistani cause. I don't care for that cause. But it's the constitutional right of Sikh Canadians to organized and campaign for whatever cause they wish. And I don't want the Indian government deciding which, of their causes, are legitimate or which, justify extrajudicial assassination.
 
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There's a good interview with Immigration Marc Miller in The Star:

www.thestar.com

Justin Trudeau’s point man on Canada’s crumbling immigration consensus

In an exclusive interview, Marc Miller spoke to The Star about slashing international student numbers, reassessing immigration targets, reforming the temporary foreign worker program, and Canada's increasingly shaky consensus on
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While he dodges/fudges a bit.......... I think he's more frank that is typical these days and you can read in on some statements as well.
 
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India is pulling the same shit in the US, but Canada is an easy target for them so they lash out at us. I don't think anyone seriously believes Modi that India wasn't involved. India's denials are laughable. They just don't want to admit that they got caught.

100% this is a threat to our democracy and the rule of law. Even if these Sikhs are "terrorists", they have a right to due process, not being assassinated by agents of the Indian government. It's completely unacceptable. Same thing goes for China and their monitoring of their citizens (although I don't think they've murdered any, yet. but you can be sure if India gets away with it, they wouldn't hesitate to do the same thing).

There's only one answer why Poilievre would refuse security clearance. And it's not looking good for him. The NDP and the Greens are calling him out for not getting clearance now.
 
DSC said:
How exactly will this happen? The info is apparently Top Secret and given only to those with security clearance. Then THEY cannot release the info to others, without breaking the law.
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Ever held a TS clearance? Cabinet has the authority to declassify. They aim not to compromise sources and methods. But they most certainly can release the names. The problem is that once they release the names, there will be demand for evidence. And the more they release the harder it gets to protect sourcing. Also, if the government releases The names, it may embolden those who haven't been caught.

All that said, intelligence is never supposed to be politicized. The PM's insinuation is inappropriate. And I'm sure a substantial part of his motivation against releasing the names is the fact that a bunch of his MPs are also on the list. The Bloc is probably the only party that is clean in Parliament.
 
Dan416 said:
There's only one answer why Poilievre would refuse security clearance. And it's not looking good for him. The NDP and the Greens are calling him out for not getting clearance now.
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I get the conspiracy theory. I don't agree with it. He's extremely partisan. And he's doing it to stick out. Most Cabinet Confidence is at the Secret level. Not even TS. That's basically a police and background check. He's been in the public eye for most of his adult life. Very hard to hide a bunch of nefarious activity. So I don't think he's likely to be very risky. He's simply refusing because it gives him a point of differentiation.

Also, given how Trudeau has played this, I don't think Poilievre is wrong to be concerned that security rules could be used to muzzle the Opposition. I wonder how much of this is being over classified just to hide it and make disclosure difficult.
 
kEiThZ said:
Ever held a TS clearance? Cabinet has the authority to declassify. They aim not to compromise sources and methods. But they most certainly can release the names. The problem is that once they release the names, there will be demand for evidence. And the more they release the harder it gets to protect sourcing. Also, if the government releases The names, it may embolden those who haven't been caught.

All that said, intelligence is never supposed to be politicized. The PM's insinuation is inappropriate. And I'm sure a substantial part of his motivation against releasing the names is the fact that a bunch of his MPs are also on the list. The Bloc is probably the only party that is clean in Parliament.
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At the national security level we have yet to find the proper alchemy to turn intelligence into evidence.

Edit to Add (I was in a hurry): While maintaining the integrity of both.
 
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