Towered
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Anecdotally, a good friend of mine who is a brain surgeon dumped Canada several years ago and moved to Florida 
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gabe
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Anecdotally, a good friend of mine who is a brain surgeon dumped Canada several years ago and moved to Florida
My mom lost an excellent doctor to the US a few years ago. He was a young doctor originally from India. He married another doctor and moved to Atlanta. i bet those two are rolling in the dough. Doctors in the US can make some serious coin, which sucks for us Canadians.
Northern Light
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They can, though their malpractice insurance is generally pricier, as is their other overhead in many cases. Lots of bad debts or delayed payments of one form or another are also an issue, as are high levels of admin/paperwork. Lots of arguing w/insurance companies.
Which is not to suggest that that isn't worth it, if the pay premium is enough, and/or your circumstances vary (depends on practice type etc.)
evandyk
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The US is at full employment and desperate for workers in a huge variety of fields. It's not surprising that a much higher than normal number of Canadians are being attracted to go work there, and it has nothing to do with politics or culture, just money.
AlvinofDiaspar
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Anecdotally, a good friend of mine who is a brain surgeon dumped Canada several years ago and moved to Florida
Don't forget our governments had been freezing the procedure rates for doctors for the last little while - and then we wonder why we are bleeding doctors?
AoD
Northern Light
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The OMA and the Province are currently in a testy arbitration over fees.
The arguments are quite interesting actually............and I suspect a bit fudged on both sides, I'd have to dig into it to assess properly.
In terms of direct fee increases, the OMA is asking for 15.2% while the province is offering 3%..
From the above, this is the province's argument:
The OMA offers this in reply:
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Offhand, I suspect the province's numbers are accurate'ish, but misleading.
Certainly, we know that there is an acute shortage in Family Medicine, and I imagine some other specific categories, such that generalizing the number across all doctors is unhelpful.
I also note that they province makes no mention of any aging population, with the boomers approaching peak healthcare consumption years, which means that higher growth in the number of doctors would be needed simply to tread water.
Its not just doctors per person, its doctors per person age adjusted; and doctors working full time vs part time, and doctors by specialty etc etc.
Which is not to suggest the OMA probably isn't buttering its own bread a little bit with its ask.
lenaitch
Senior Member
I am active on another forum that has a significant number of US tradespeople (treadepersons?), many with their own companies, with or without employees. The cost to purchase healthcare coverage is a significant issue for them. The flip side is they can get an appointment within a day or two or switch doctors without it feeling like Russian Roulette.
As a oblique to insurance and Florida (and probably other areas in Hurricane/Tornado Alley), their homeowner insurance is off the dial; many paying five figures and being arbitrarily dropped by their company is common.
This is a significant shift in many areas, including medicine and animal care. Younger generations are more concerned with 'work-life' balance. I suppose carrying a smaller patient load has the same impact as being part-time.
gabe
Senior Member
Yeah, but they got cheaper housing. That's why they never move back to Canada.
gabe
Senior Member
i go to walk in clinics. My doctor is always 2 plus weeks to see. I had one doctor threaten to ban me from the property for using walk in clinics. He went on this big anti Kathleen Wynne rant as well. I found a new doctor after that. Good thing i did. He was charged with possession of child porn and lost his medical license about a year later.
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Admiral Beez
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Better climate (if you chose location well), more jobs, cheaper housing, lower taxes, low crime (as long as you avoid poorer and predominantly BIPOC areas), and if you have solid insurance, a great place for health care. Whatās not to like.
Towered
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My friend relocated from here to Calgary for a number of years before settling in Florida. He said he'd never come back here other than to visit family and friends.
kEiThZ
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But it is surprising to a significant minority of Canadians who dislike the US and think it's all just terrible politics and violence. There's a significant minority of Canadians that could never imagine living in the US. And the projection of those views into our politics often means we get politicians who think there's no consequence to growing differences in taxation or quality of life. It's always a shock to this lot when suddenly professionals they might rely on (like doctors) leave. They almost never care about other impacts (like entrepreneurs leaving.
A real example of this mindset is the recent government decision in the budget to go after high earners and refuse to tax housing wealth in anyway. They seem to think the most skilled and mobile group of workers will somehow take whatever they get.
lenaitch
Senior Member
A healthcare perspective from a retired MD from Sault Ste. Marie.
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DR. PETER CHOW: āNo family doctor! Bye-Bye! Die! Die!ā
Greater thought should have gone into selecting which GHC patients derostered
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Admiral Beez
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Itās not just Canadians leaving for the US. Many are returning to their or their parentsā countries of origin.
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Canada has high unemployment, high cost of living, high housing cost, failing healthcare, poor work life balance and sh#te weather. Youād only stay if your conditions were worse elsewhere.
My parents moved to Canada to give me a better life. Do I need to take my kids back to Colombia to give them the same?
The standard of living in Canada has declined and the cost of living has skyrocketed. While I am grateful for my parentās choice to move to here, the current situation
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Canada has high unemployment, high cost of living, high housing cost, failing healthcare, poor work life balance and sh#te weather. Youād only stay if your conditions were worse elsewhere.
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slickpete83
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Trudeau wants to maintain home prices while pushing affordability. Is it possible ?
āHousing needs to retain its value,ā Trudeau told The Globe and Mailās City Space podcast last week. āItās a huge part of peopleās potential for retirement and future nest egg.ā
Trudeau wants to maintain home prices while pushing affordability. Is it possible? - National | Globalnews.ca
In a recent interview with the Globe and Mail, Justin Trudeau said he wants to push affordability while maintaining current home values. Some experts say that's hard to do.
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