PM Justin Trudeau's Canada

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It is because according to SJW logic no matter what the muslim person says, it must be correct and whatever the conservative says it must be wrong.

There was no SJW logic used, Cooper crossed the line.

Because alt-right apologia are so much better. It’s not as if Scheer has not entertained yellow vest types or Rebel media.

Like when he went to a racist Yellow Vest rally with Faith Goldy.

 

[Jasmine18]

As I said the Liberals have been trying to revive abortion and racism cards as they can't rely on Trudeau brand their record to win in October.

 

[Hopkins123]

As I said the Liberals have been trying to revive abortion and racism cards as they can't rely on Trudeau brand their record to win in October.

Anyone who's been paying attention could clearly see their agenda coming a mile away. When all else fails trot out the "but Conservatives are bigots ergo unelectable" card no matter the context of the allegation, rinse and repeat.

 

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Cooper made the news in New Zealand. Great optics!

 

[Jasmine18]

Anyone who's been paying attention could clearly see their agenda coming a mile away. When all else fails trot out the "but Conservatives are bigots ergo unelectable" card no matter the context of the allegation, rinse and repeat.

that is what i hate about libearls, make it seem they are carrying out "good over evil" to ensure Trudeau 2.0 can govern this great land to a golden age.

 

[Northern Light]

that is what i hate about libearls, make it seem they are carrying out "good over evil" to ensure Trudeau 2.0 can govern this great land to a golden age.

This type of narrative is easy enough to shut down; which Scheer, albeit belatedly is doing; by ditching Cooper.

Just shut the loud mouth trouble makers down.

But folks right here at UT complain when Scheer does this very sensible thing to minimize his and his party's political exposure.

Its not as if this MP was ever cabinet material. Its not as if the pizza-gate conspiracist was going to vote Liberal.

Just ditch them, definitively and move on.

Discuss policy and ideas that mainstream Canadians might entertain.

Don't bitch that other parties, sensing a weakness in their political opponent exploit it.............as if the Conservatives don't go after scandal when they sense it in the Liberals....

That's the sensible thing to do.

You offer yourself at the preferred alternative because you are 'better' than the other guy/gal; both because of how you're good; and because of how they aren't.

Yes, its crass, over-done etc. at times, by all sides.

What's troubling in the complaints here is the people who only see one-side.

 

[Jasmine18]

This type of narrative is easy enough to shut down; which Scheer, albeit belatedly is doing; by ditching Cooper.

Just shut the loud mouth trouble makers down.

But folks right here at UT complain when Scheer does this very sensible thing to minimize his and his party's political exposure.

Its not as if this MP was ever cabinet material. Its not as if the pizza-gate conspiracist was going to vote Liberal.

Just ditch them, definitively and move on.

Discuss policy and ideas that mainstream Canadians might entertain.

Don't bitch that other parties, sensing a weakness in their political opponent exploit it.............as if the Conservatives don't go after scandal when they sense it in the Liberals....

That's the sensible thing to do.

You offer yourself at the preferred alternative because you are 'better' than the other guy/gal; both because of how you're good; and because of how they aren't.

Yes, its crass, over-done etc. at times, by all sides.

What's troubling in the complaints here is the people who only see one-side.

Trudeau is the one who came into office as the 'prince who was promised;
who will be always positive
who will do politics differently?

That is why when they are shown to be the same as politics, as usual, that is why SNC went from a nothing story to a huge wound to them.

 

[jje1000]

I suppose when you decide early on that it's genocide, everything henceforth needs to be molded to fit that definition. $92 million later, I wonder if the Mueller report was a bargain compared to this?

Inquiry into missing and murdered Indigenous women issues final report with sweeping calls for change
John Paul Tasker · CBC News · Posted: Jun 03, 2019

After more than three years, dozens of community meetings and testimony from well over 2,000 Canadians, the missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls inquiry delivered its final report to the federal government at a ceremony in Gatineau, Que., today.

The report includes many recommendations to government, the police and the larger Canadian public to help address endemic levels of violence directed at Indigenous women and girls and 2SLGBTQQIA (two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual) people.

A copy of the final, 1,200-page report — and its 231 "calls for justice" — is available here.

In 2015, the RCMP said that, based on their research into Indigenous murders over the 2013-14 period, as many as 70 per cent of the offenders were of "Aboriginal origin." But the inquiry said Monday that figure is "unreliable and should not be considered as an accurate or complete statement of the perpetrators of violence."

Beyond defining the level of violence against these women as a "Canadian genocide," recommending official language status for Indigenous languages and calling for "a guaranteed annual livable income for all Canadians," the commissioners are also recommending sweeping reforms to the justice system and policing in this country, including stiffer penalties for men who carry out spousal or partner abuse.

It calls for further examination of the 'Gladue principles' in Canadian courts — a legal term that stipulates an offender's Indigenous ancestry should be considered in the sentencing process. Inquiry commissioner Qajaq Robinson said Monday that many families told her at the hearings that, in some cases, Gladue is seen by many offenders as a "get out of jail free card."

To ensure more equitable outcomes, the inquiry said, more Indigenous judges, justices of the peace and police should be hired to ensure Indigenous voices are in positions of power in the criminal justice system.

Failing that, the report said a separate court system for the Indigenous population should be established to lead to more "meaningful and culturally appropriate justice practices ..."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mmiwg-inquiry-deliver-final-report-justice-reforms-1.5158223

From Reddit:

Native men die or go missing at a much higher rate than women actually, so it's not just girls. Natives, regardless of gender, experience more violence and go missing at a significantly higher rate than non-natives. According to several RCMP reports released over the last few decades, the overwhelming majority of this violence is within the community. Most native women (and men) who are assaulted or killed are assaulted by other natives.

So, where's this "genocide" thing in the latest report coming from then?

The MMIWG (Missing and Murdered Indiginous Women and Girls) was started about two years ago for political reasons. It's goal was to catch the RCMP in a lie, to uncover their incompetence/malfeasance, and root out any kind of conspiracy. They didn't find anything of the sort. It really is natives hurting natives. The inquiry cost $92 million and generated a lot of bad press for incompetence and high staff turnover rates. So, how do you salvage something politically from that? Stir up controversy.

Why are natives hurting natives at a higher rate than non-natives? There are a host of reasons. Poverty is probably the biggest one, and this absolutely is something we need to work on solving. Another contributing problem is lingering cultural trauma from the residential school system. From the late 19th century until the late 20th century, some native children were taken from their parents and raised on boarding schools. The motivation at the time was to turn tax consuming reserve residents into tax generating members of broader Canadian society. Obviously, this is now viewed as a deeply misguided policy. The government has apologized for this practice, and the legal system is still sorting out compensation in some cases. Some decided to call this an attempt at "cultural genocide". The language is inflammatory, and deliberately so, but it's not wholly inaccurate.

So, given that people were talking about attempted "cultural genocide" as one root of the problem, the MMIWG took the next step in inflaming the language used about this problem by calling it outright genocide. Their report isn't officially released until Monday and I haven't read it, but I suspect the logic they use to define what has happened as genocide will be highly creative. This choice of language creates the controversy they apparently couldn't get from their findings in any other way.

So, no, the Canadian military is not roaming reserves in humvees, sniping off little native girls and drinking their blood. No, truckers are not swerving to hit native girls on highways. No, an actual genocide is not going on. What's going on is we have a higher incidence of violence within disadvantaged communities, and those communities are native. There are historical reasons for this disadvantage and a desperate need for the government to do a better job of solving them, but no genocide has taken place. The people saying this are saying it for political gain.

We absolutely have failed these communities, but calling what happened a genocide is not going to contribute to a solution. Quite the contrary, it's going to make people angry about being accused of committing genocide and encourage them to ignore any reasonable recommendations that might be hidden in this report. It's politics at their very worst.

The article notes that the inquiry issued subpoenas to 28 police agencies across Canada seeking 479 files. It also says they only obtained 174 due to time constraints, the age of the files, missing information or agencies refusing to turn over the documents. So, of the 4,000 cases described by the committee, they reviewed 174. That is a review rate of 4.35%, with 95.65% of suggested cases going unreviewed. That's horrible.

It makes me ask where the $92 million went. Certainly not into vetting the 230 recommendations. Look at the ones we know so far! The language suggestion requires a constitutional amendment. The murder recommendation is unconstitutional under R v Martineau. The Gladue recommendation would render 718.2(e) of the Criminal Code unconstitutional under R v Sparrow. And that would result in Indigenous Offenders getting significantly longer prison sentences in every applicable criminal case. The 'independent mechanism' is impossible. These are bad suggestions!

 

[jje1000]

Is this an effort to create an unquestionable original sin for Canada?

John Ivison: At MMIW report's heart, a contradiction that's impossible to ignore
After $92 million spent, the commissioners don’t know who is committing violence against women — mainly because they didn’t try to find out
John Ivison June 4, 2019 3:59 PM EDT

Marion Buller, the inquiry’s chief commissioner, said there is an ongoing “deliberate, race, identity and gender-based genocide.”

This is, to repeat, not past government policy but, in the commissioners’ view, an ongoing conscious campaign of oppression by non-Indigenous Canadians like Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, whose government has just introduced legislation to revitalize Indigenous languages.

The charge is being taken seriously outside Canada. The secretary-general of the Organization of American States, Luis Almagro, wrote to global affairs minister Chrystia Freeland Tuesday urging the creation of a panel of independent experts “to clarify the accusations and denunciations of genocide in your country.”

If global headlines were the goal, then mission accomplished.

But the commissioners may prove far less successful at achieving what should have been their primary goal: mitigating the threat to the safety of Indigenous women and girls.

After $92 million and 1,200 pages, the commissioners don’t know who is committing the violence against women — mainly because they didn’t try to find out.

The report says women, girls and 2SLGBTQQIA (two-spirit, lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, questioning, intersex and asexual) people are being targeted “from all sides” by partners, family members, acquaintances and serial killers, but it does not delve any deeper to qualify or quantify that statement.

The only statistical evidence is provided by a footnote citing a Statistics Canada report that provides partial answers.

That study looked at the proportion of Indigenous Canadians who were victims of eight crimes measured by the General Social Survey. It found overall victimization levels of Indigenous people were higher in 2014 than for non-Indigenous people (28 per cent versus 18 per cent) but that they had fallen 10 percentage points in the preceding five years — raising question marks over the commission’s claim that the problem of violence is getting worse.

This is an issue that requires context — the history of childhood maltreatment, mental health problems, substance abuse, all of which are more common among the Indigenous population.

But the data, while less comprehensive than it should be, suggests a truth airbrushed by the commissioners: Indigenous men commit the majority of acts of violence against Indigenous women.

In an interview with my colleague, Maura Forrest, last month, Marion Buller conceded the point. “It’s not always an Indigenous male who commits violence against an Indigenous female. Let’s throw that stereotype right out of the door. That’s not always the case,” she said.

Not always, but most often. There are mitigating circumstances — crimes are committed by people for whom violence has become normalized, often because they themselves were victimized in childhood. The residential schools system’s legacy is with us still, affecting generations of Indigenous people and their children.

There are concrete proposals in the report that could improve things: public education campaigns to challenge the normalization of violence; a national Indigenous rights ombudsman; police funding on reserves equal to that off-reserve, for example.

Unfortunately, those practical measures have been obscured by the incendiary language the commissioners used in their haste to apportion blame.

Canada is a success by any measure. It has developed a political system that works, despite its cultural and linguistic divisions.

John Ivison: At MMIW report's heart, a contradiction that's impossible to ignore

After $92 million spent, the commissioners don’t know who is committing violence against women — mainly because they didn’t try to find out

nationalpost.com

On a side note:

PM Trudeau increasing funding for global women's health to $1.4 billion
Rachel Aiello Ottawa News Bureau Online Producer Published Tuesday, June 4, 2019 12:55PM EDT

Trudeau said the increase will include $700 million a year starting in 2023 specifically for sexual and reproductive health initiatives. He said this will make Canada a leading donor when it comes to this kind of international aid.

Canada currently spends $1.1 billion on women's health services worldwide, and $400 million on sexual and reproductive health

This pledge expands on the government's 2017 commitment to $650 million over three years to address gaps in sexual and reproductive health globally. That initial pledge followed U.S. President Donald Trump banning funding for any international groups that perform abortions or educate about abortions. Advocates said the loss of the U.S. money left a sizeable funding gap.

Trudeau also used his platform at the major international gathering to speak to his domestic audience.

"There are politicians here in Canada who have called our governments investments 'exporting an ideological agenda.' Well, we couldn't disagree more. This should not be a political issue, these divisions are playing out globally with devastating consequences and women deserve better," Trudeau said, citing comments made by Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer during his 2017 leadership bid.

PM Trudeau increasing funding for global women's health to $1.4 billion

The federal government will gradually be increasing its annual commitment to funding for international sexual, reproductive, maternal, newborn and child health, hitting and maintaining $1.4 billion annually, starting in 2023.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

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EXCLUSIVE: Andrew Scheer’s office directed Conservative MPs to support motion to scrap justice committee video stream

The NDP motion was adopted unanimously, including support from the committee’s three Conservative MPs.

tnc.news

Andrew Lawton
@AndrewLawton

EXCLUSIVE: Conservative MPs on the justice and human rights committee were directed by Andrew Scheer's office to support the NDP motion to scrap video of @MarkSteynOnline's, @NewWorldHominin's and @thejohnrobson's testimony, I've learned.

Lawton is a wingnut, but this story seems to check out.

 

[jje1000]

One of the huge impacts of Trudeau's statements on genocide is that it essentially gives an opening to tie Canada up in all sorts of self-perpetuating extranational investigations, and undercuts Canada's ability to deal with the likes of China, Saudi Arabia, and other countries where more serious instances that could be considered actual genocide (both physical and cultural) are taking place.

Yet another instance of Trudeau shooting his mouth (much like what he did with Boushie and the Judiciary, as well as his "everyone is welcome" statements). Is Trudeau not that well versed in statecraft, or worse- willfully ignorant to the second- and third-level effects this has?


The political quagmire of the prime minister accepting his country's complicity in genocide: Robyn Urback
There will be broad geopolitical and domestic implications
Robyn Urback · CBC News · Posted: Jun 06, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 8 hours ago

Reasonable people can disagree on whether the term accurately applies to Canada today. For example, the outright racist laws of the past — such as Canada's eugenics laws of the early 20th century — are no longer on the books, but reports of coerced sterilization of Indigenous women in Saskatoon and elsewhere continue, to the same effect as the old laws. But Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's acceptance of the MMIWG report's conclusion — "we accept the finding that this was genocide," he said Tuesday — has broader implications than just making a point.

To a certain degree it is ambiguous, hinging on what Trudeau's definition of "was" is. Does "was" mean "in the past, but no longer"? Or is Trudeau referring to all of the past and current conditions chronicled in the report when he says "this was genocide"? Either way, if the prime minister accepts that genocide was or is happening in Canada, shouldn't he say where and when, so that those responsible can be held accountable?

Genocide is a legal term — a crime — which, according to the United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, shall be tried "by a competent tribunal of the State in the territory of which the act was committed." Countries that have ratified the genocide convention, which include Canada, are obliged to both prevent and punish the perpetrators of genocide.

This means that if Trudeau is serious when he says "this was genocide," legal proceedings will be forthcoming (the implications of which, needless to say, would be enormous). If they are not, which is the infinitely more likely course, Trudeau sends a message about how serious he is when he calls the treatment of Indigenous Peoples "genocide." This is the quagmire in which the prime minister now finds himself.

On top of that, there will be broad geopolitical implications, some of which have already started to become evident. On Tuesday, Luis Almagro, secretary general of the Organization of American States, an international forum on justice and peace for 35 member states in the Western Hemisphere, sent a letter to Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland proposing the creation of an interdisciplinary group of independent experts to investigate the genocide charge stemming from the report.

"Given that your country has always sided with scrutiny and international investigation in situations where human rights are violated in different countries," he wrote, "I am expecting to receive a favourable response to this request."

Other organizations or governments might not be so cordial. Last summer, when Canada found itself in a diplomatic spat with Saudi Arabia over a couple tweets about the kingdom's human rights record, the Saudis mobilized a social media campaign based on the notion that Canada is actually the more oppressive state, citing, among other things, data on missing and murdered Indigenous women. Should that happen again, the Saudis now have the word "genocide" in their arsenal, and they can cite it as coming directly from the prime minister's lips.

Indeed, Trudeau's acceptance that Canada is a genocidal nation inevitably weakens our moral authority when lecturing the Chinese about gender equity, or the U.S. vice-president about abortion access. One could make the case that we never had that moral authority to begin with, since Canada's treatment of Indigenous people doesn't suddenly become worse because it has a new name. But a label does change the perception of Canada in the eyes of other nations, especially when the Canadian prime minister confirms the label is accurate.

It's plausible there will be a domestic effect as well. There is a faction of hysterical Trudeau-haters (no, not me — relax) who love to call him a "traitor," citing years-old gaffes and the very complicated decision to award a multimillion-dollar settlement to Omar Khadr. But this line — prime minister says his own country is guilty of genocide — could reasonably gain traction outside of typical "Turd-eau" circles. Indeed, the prime minister might find it hard to at once campaign on a positive image of Canada, while also charging it of committing one of the worst atrocities known to man.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/genocide-mmiwg-1.5164014

And yet when faced with a real genocide- with actual proof of the murder and cultural destruction against the Yazidis and Christians in Iraq:

Trudeau, Liberal MPs Vote Against Tory Motion Declaring ISIS Atrocities As Genocide
Some Liberal MPs voted with the Conservatives.
Ryan Maloney The Huffington Post Canada 06/14/2016 04:36 EDT

When he was pressed again on the case of thousands of Yazidi girls being murdered or turned into sex slaves, the prime minister was resolute that determinations of genocide must be done objectively on the international stage.

"We will not trivialize the importance of the word genocide by not respecting formal engagements around that word," he said.

Trudeau Votes Against Declaring ISIS Atrocities As Genocide

Some Liberal MPs voted with the Conservatives.

www.huffingtonpost.ca

 

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Let’s calm down. Canada’s not the only country that acknowledges it committed genocide. There’s also Germany (6+ million), Cambodia (around 1 million, or 20% of the population), and Rwanda (also around one million?). So there are four of us.

 

[BurlOak]

One of the huge impacts of Trudeau's statements on genocide is that it essentially gives an opening to tie Canada up in all sorts of self-perpetuating extranational investigations, and undercuts Canada's ability to deal with the likes of China, Saudi Arabia, and other countries where more serious instances that could be considered actual genocide (both physical and cultural) are taking place.

Yet another instance of Trudeau shooting his mouth (much like what he did with Boushie and the Judiciary, as well as his "everyone is welcome" statements). Is Trudeau not that well versed in statecraft, or worse- willfully ignorant to the second- and third-level effects this has?

On this D-Day, how many of are wondering if Canada was the true bad guys in the war, and the Nazis just felt completely excluded and it was our fault for not finding out where their tensions came from.

 

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Let’s calm down. Canada’s not the only country that acknowledges it committed genocide. There’s also Germany (6+ million), Cambodia (around 1 million, or 20% of the population), and Rwanda (also around one million?). So there are four of us.

Germany took it one step further and made it illegal to deny the Holocaust.

Andrew Scheer turned down D-Day ceremony invitation for family commitment

Commemoration in Normandy conflicted with a ceremony in Regina where the Conservative leader’s brother-in-law and mother-in-law received honorary degrees.

www.thestar.com

So, Scheer declined to go to a D-Day ceremony because of a family commitment.

 

[pman]

Germany took it one step further and made it illegal to deny the Holocaust.

Andrew Scheer turned down D-Day ceremony invitation for family commitment

Commemoration in Normandy conflicted with a ceremony in Regina where the Conservative leader’s brother-in-law and mother-in-law received honorary degrees.

www.thestar.com

So, Scheer declined to go to a D-Day ceremony because of a family commitment

No doubt the Liberals will require an attestation affirming acknowledgement of our genocidal past for all federal grant applicants. They already imposed an abortion support declaration on all applicants - including Roman Catholic charities- for a summer jobs program, so there’s precedent for an ideological compliance requirement.