treplow
New Member
I expect to see the Billy Bishop runway extension talk reopened if the Conservatives win in October.
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Pickering Airport (Transport Canada/GTAA, Proposed)
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MarkBrooks
Active Member
A correction on the numbers. The design of the Pickering airport I referred to above is to be build in two phases and is expected to be to handle 15 million passengers and 250k movements.
MarkBrooks
Active Member
Sometimes during discussions on maximum capacity you can lose sight of the real issue.
Here is yesterday at Pearson, lining up for departure on runway 05 at rush hour.
The weather was perfect.
The controllers are using every trick in the book, visual departures, reduced separation , flow control, the works.
06L&06 right where being used for parallel visual approaches with reduced, stagared arrivals. Something only possible In perfect weather.
Every pilot was on his game, flawless performance despite the pressure and reduced safety margins.
The lineup of jets is more than a mile long, 30 minutes before getting airborne.
This winter will be brutal.
Here is yesterday at Pearson, lining up for departure on runway 05 at rush hour.
The weather was perfect.
The controllers are using every trick in the book, visual departures, reduced separation , flow control, the works.
06L&06 right where being used for parallel visual approaches with reduced, stagared arrivals. Something only possible In perfect weather.
Every pilot was on his game, flawless performance despite the pressure and reduced safety margins.
The lineup of jets is more than a mile long, 30 minutes before getting airborne.
This winter will be brutal.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Been there, done that.
If only there were an existing airport that had the capability to be quickly built out to take demand from Pearson......
MarkBrooks
Active Member
If only that airport was in an accessible location, and you know, had enough FUEL infrastructure to support 300 flights a day... if not a pipeline, at least a rail road!
And wouldn’t it be great if half the city’s citizens didn’t have to driver two hours to get there?
micheal_can
Senior Member
A pipeline takes a year or so to build. A rail line is about the same.....
2 hours? From where? When? Less than an hour to the next closet airport to Pearson.
Still under an hour for this one too.
Even this one is under 2 hours....
3 other airports all under 2 hours to drive to. All of them EXIST.
I love it when you try to use misinformation that is easily proven otherwise.
kEiThZ
Superstar
All those RJs in that lineup. Like I said, they gotta go.
treplow
New Member
Unless a verrry long spur is constructed off of the existing CN mainline through the Dundas Valley, I don't see any realistic way of building passenger rail access to the Hamilton Airport. Unless the idea is to have air passengers take a local LRT down a hypothetical Upper James St. line to downtown Hamilton only to transfer to a GO train at West Harbour, which kind of defeats the purpose of Hamilton being a second international airport for Toronto.
kEiThZ
Superstar
As though a rail connection has ever been a pre-requisite for an international airport anywhere in North America. Pearson reached 40 million annually without a rail connection. Montreal and Calgary will hit 20 million without a rail connection.
Ottawa has hit 5 million and Edmonton will hit 10 million without a rail connection. Among the six busiest airports in Canada, only two have rail connections, and two more will have them in the next 5 years. There's no reason Hamilton could not be as busy Ottawa or Edmonton with just bus service. Could probably match Calgary with just an LRT connection.
treplow
New Member
Not a pre-requisite in North America I agree, but if YHM is to complement/compete with Pearson as a true second international airport for the GTA it's going to have to offer a more effective ground transportation method than a bus. People aren't sitting in 1.5 hours of rush hour traffic to get to Ottawa or Edmonton's airports.
kEiThZ
Superstar
You miss the point. The entire West end of the GTA will use a YHM, the same way that the East end of GTA uses YYZ today. And that is what will relieve Pearson.
There's no requirement for passengers from the 416 to use Hamilton for YYZ to be relieved. All that is needed is sufficient displacement to accomodate existing traffic levels at Pearson while still growing regional capacity.
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MarkBrooks
Active Member
I love how you use Pearson, an airport on the west side of the GTA as your start point and then somehow claim it as misinformation that it’s a two hour drive from the Easter GTA to Hamilton. Try starting in Oshawa, and in normal traffic, not Sunday at midnight. I have never do this drive in under 2 hours, and yes I have to do it for work.A pipeline takes a year or so to build. A rail line is about the same.....
2 hours? From where? When? Less than an hour to the next closet airport to Pearson.
Still under an hour for this one too.
Even this one is under 2 hours....
3 other airports all under 2 hours to drive to. All of them EXIST.
I love it when you try to use misinformation that is easily proven otherwise.
You are undercutting the argument for Hamilton, an airport we desperately need to get its act together. We need both Hamilton and Pickering to compliment each other and pickup Pearson’s load. Here are the drive distances from each of these airports in 30,60,90 minute circles at 7:am Monday morning in August. This winter is going to be brutal.
micheal_can
Senior Member
If we need Hamilton to get it's act together, why wouldn't you be championing it?
I have been clear that first we build out Hamilton, then we build Pickering. With finite tax dollars, it is the way that makes the most sense.
MarkBrooks
Active Member
I have been... including pointing out the need for taxiways, a improved fuel supply.
Doing the commute Wednesday, which route should I take tomorrow, bite the bullet for a Four hour commute? Or spend $100 on the 407 and do it in 3 hours round trip?
micheal_can
Senior Member
Well, first off, why the 4 hour commute? No, seriously, why would this be a regular occurrence enough that it would be an issue. If your job meant you flew most days and you live far from an airport, that is your stupidity, not the problem of an airport.
Your voice is louder for the Pickering airport being built in farmland that it is for the expansion of Hamilton's. No one in here thinks you even want to acknowledge Hamilton's.