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Ontario Northland/Northern Ontario Transportation

lenaitch said:
Just an outsider looking in; bottlenecks have many causes but I'm not sure track capacity is a major one.

So long as they are in the same right of way, a major derailment will inevitably block both tracks.

I would argue roads are subject to weather disruption much more than rail.
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With double track, those trains can pass each other going both directions.

lenaitch said:
Logistics folks say it's about 44 hours for a truck to move from Vancouver to Toronto. The railways say '4-5 days'. I can't argue with either of those numbers. A bit of a difference but not huge.

I assume both carriers still have priority trains.
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44 hours is just under 2 days,. It should not be faster to drive freight across Canada.especially with weather and traffic.
 
micheal_can said:
With double track, those trains can pass each other going both directions.
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Provided the derailment doesn't foul both tracks.

micheal_can said:
44 hours is just under 2 days,
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Ya, bad late night math. I can't really attest to either number. Seasonality has an impact. Both 11 and 17 have been closed for weather multiple times this winter. I realize they can run through the US, provided your load and company allows it, and you make the decision early enough. Cold weather can impact the length and speed of trains.
 
lenaitch said:
Provided the derailment doesn't foul both tracks.
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I meant that after the derailment is cleared. Tha tmeans that the backlog is cleared faster.

lenaitch said:
Ya, bad late night math. I can't really attest to either number. Seasonality has an impact. Both 11 and 17 have been closed for weather multiple times this winter. I realize they can run through the US, provided your load and company allows it, and you make the decision early enough. Cold weather can impact the length and speed of trains.
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I saw a time last winter where 11,17 and 144 was closed.The only highway open at that time was the 129 between Thessalon and Chapleau. And it was closed a good 12+ hours.

Regardless,I feel this topic has been fleshed out. I know nothing will come of it. I just hope things are timed well on the Bqla sub to allow the Northlander not to be the one in a siding.
 
micheal_can said:
To be fair, I feel the entire length of the CN and CP mainlines across Canada should be double track by now.
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Even along the Bala there are some very difficult terrain such as lakes, rock cuts and high embankments. The cost for the bala would be astronomical. Then add that cost for the Ruel, Caramat, Allanwater and Redditt subdivision and thats just to double track to Winnipeg.
 
Krypto98 said:
Even along the Bala there are some very difficult terrain such as lakes, rock cuts and high embankments. The cost for the bala would be astronomical. Then add that cost for the Ruel, Caramat, Allanwater and Redditt subdivision and thats just to double track to Winnipeg.
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I understand the terrain and understand the costs. I also know it won't happen without government funding.
 
micheal_can said:
Did anyone get pictures of the presentation?
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Timmins-Porcupine Station Transit and Rail Project Assessment Process - Ontario Northland

A new Timmins-Porcupine Station will include a train platform, a station building, outdoor parking, a pedestrian walkway, bus bays, a taxi stand, a designated passenger pick-up and drop-off area, and a municipal bus stop.
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- Paul
 
Potentially related to upgrades along the line for the return of passenger rail service?

Location on Google Maps.

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Allandale25 said:
Potentially related to upgrades along the line for the return of passenger rail service?

Location on Google Maps.

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Your location link took me to Waterloo, but this is between Powassan and North Bay. I thought the road was open but perhaps it is one of those 'no winter maintenance' roads. I'll have to check it out.
 
The interesting thing to me are the gates. Not surprising that there would be an upgrade to unprotected crossings - but many of the protected crossings up that way only have flashers but no gates. If gates is the new standard, I wonder if other crossings will be upgraded as well, either now or gradually as they need replacement..

- Paul
 
crs1026 said:
The interesting thing to me are the gates. Not surprising that there would be an upgrade to unprotected crossings - but many of the protected crossings up that way only have flashers but no gates. If gates is the new standard, I wonder if other crossings will be upgraded as well, either now or gradually as they need replacement..

- Paul
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No clue. The road goes from Hwy 11 to pretty much nowhere (with apologies to Chisholm Twp.) and I've not seen anything in the local news about anything that would potentially increase traffic significantly. Eastbound sightlines doesn't look great but still . . . There isn't even the namesake siding there anymore.
 
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