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On-Street Parking

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I recently saw a few articles on the cost of parking on-street and off in different cities around the world.

And so I went and did some research on what different Cities charge for parking etc.

I post the question here is Toronto the third bowl of porridge, not too warm, not too cold; or should the price of Toronto parking go up? (given how hard it is to get a space, I'm going to say down wouldn't make much sense)

FYI

On-Street Rate comparison Range (all rates are per hour)

Toronto: $1.50 - $3.50

Montreal $1.00 - $3.00

Vancouver $1.00 -$5.00

Calgary $1.00 - $5.00

Chicago .75c - $3.50 ** (approved increases to a top rate of $6.50 by 2013)

New York $1.00 - $3.00 ***

*** (rates are progressive at many spots, that is $1.00 for the 1st hour, $ 2.00 for the second and so on)

(current proposals call for smart spots with rates that vary by time of day and place to match real-time demand with mid-town New York spots having a peak rate of $15.00 per hour)
 
I don't know bout TO. But Windsor you get 15 min for a quarter so $1 an hour. Hasn't gone up in years. Hope it doesn't either.
 
Then again, Windsor doesn't have much use for the parking except for a few events through out the year, By the universty and weekends down town. And those are always taken.
 
Then again, Windsor doesn't have much use for the parking except for a few events through out the year.

Well, supply and demand. Whatever street parking there is in Toronto is usually quite full, regardless of time of day. I'm not familiar with Windsor, but in most smaller towns or suburban areas there is a lot of free surface parking, which means that demand for paid street parking is low and the hourly rates reflect that.

Personally, I'd say crank up the price on street parking to as much as people will pay, or better yet, get rid of it altogether and replace it with wider sidewalks and bike lanes.

But, you know, "war on cars", angry merchants, socialist mayor, yadayayadayada.
 
PG, Windsor isn't that small, The bar/club bussness is huge as is the casino. THough Windsor is shrinking. Its not small. But then again compared to TO. I guess you could say its smaller lol.
 
Haha, sorry, yes I realize Windsor is a city with over 200K people. I meant "smaller" than TO and should have typed that.
 
actually about 240,000 dropped drasticly in the last 2 years. lots of people losing jobs here with the big 3 in the state they are. lol
And your forgiven. :p
 
With the price of crude oil going up, the province should ban free parking. From The High Cost of Free Parking at Raise The Hammer:

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There is no righteous ire like the ire of people who believe they deserve something for nothing. In that light, don't expect many motorists to appreciate Donald Shoup's new book, The High Cost of Free Parking.

An UCLA professor in the Department of Urban Planning, Shoup dissects the economic, social, and environmental impacts of current parking regulations and proposes a new approach that can help free cities from the pernicious effects of auto dependency.

Originally limited to the curbside, parking was destined to become a scarce resource. Cars take up a lot of space, the total area of curbside parking is limited, and certain areas, like workplaces and commercial districts, experience peaks in demand when large numbers of people arrive at once.

Planners concluded that the solution was physical: create enough additional parking to offset the projected increase in demand. What seemed like good public policy at the time has been a slow-motion time bomb for cities. Too much parking is much worse, in the long run, than not enough parking.

When planners calculate how many parking spaces to provide1, they assume parking is free. Obviously, demand for a "free" service will be much higher than demand for a service that must be purchased. If people don't have to pay for parking, they are much more likely to drive.

There's just one problem: parking isn't free. In fact, according to Shoup, "the cost of all parking spaces in the U.S. exceeds the value of all cars and may even exceed the value of all roads." Parking costs billions of dollars a year.

Shoup is an economist, and it shows in the perspective he brings to bear. "[E]conomists do not define the demand for food as the peak quantity of food consumed at free buffets." Nevertheless, planners define the demand for parking as the peak quantity of spaces used when parking is free.

Developers simply pass the cost of "free" parking to property owners, who pass it to tenants, who pass it to all customers in the form of higher prices. "Off-street parking requirements encourage everyone to drive wherever they go because they know they can usually park free when they get there."

Huge expanses of asphalt push buildings far back from the street and away from each other. "Free" parking increases demand for driving lanes, which further separates destinations, making it difficult to get anywhere without a car. This further increases demand for more lanes and more parking in an insidious positive feedback loop.

Markets normally use price signals as negative feedback to contain demand. When demand goes up, the price goes up, and the higher price lowers demand. However, for price signals to work, the people using a good or service must be the ones paying for it.

By breaking the relationship between use and payment, "free" parking eliminates the negative feedback that keeps the system in balance. As a result, everyone decides to drive everywhere, and the car crowds out other forms of transportation.

Even paid parking is often underpriced. In Hamilton, for example, motorists can park for 50 cents an hour at most curbside meters. Assuming about 60 square feet for a parking spot, that's six dollars per square foot per month - an order of magnitude lower than the equivalent monthly cost for a square foot of building space.

The tantalizing promise of underpriced parking leads motorists to cruise around the block until a spot opens up. In studies Shoup cites that analyzed traffic congestion, 30 percent of cars on the road were trying to find a parking spot.

Of all the transport systems available, including public transit, shipping, and rail, cars are unique in that terminal costs (doing something with your vehicle when the trip is finished) are offset to the rest of the economy. This "provide a huge subsidy to motorists, and thus increase the demand for cars, parking spaces, and vehicle travel."

Only walking, which has effectively no terminal costs, is comparable. All things being equal, most people would rather drive than walk. The problem is that all things aren't really equal; parking requirements just make it seem that way.

Worse still, "free" parking provides the biggest per-mile subsidy to the shortest trips, meaning drivers have a major incentive to drive to destinations they would otherwise be able to reach with ease by foot or bicycle. A huge proportion of traffic congestion is made up these short trips.

Shoup concludes cities should eliminate zoning requirements for off-street parking, end free municipal parking, and charge whatever price will maintain about 15 percent vacancy - the optimal rate to ensure easy entry and exit. To balance variable demand against a fixed supply, he recommends setting different prices according to time of day and day of week.

Anticipating the righteous ire of those drivers accustomed to free parking, Shoup notes that the biggest barrier to eliminating this subsidy is political, not technical, and proper implementation is critical.

The best way to implement market priced parking is for cities to remit all of the revenues from parking to what he calls "parking benefit districts", akin to business improvement areas. This way, decisions on how to collect and how to spend are made by the citizens most affected.

The benefits are potentially tremendous: with less parking, there is more room for both people and businesses, and the right balance between supply and demand means less congestion from cruising, less noise, and less air pollution. Reduced parking requirements also ease entry for investors who might otherwise build elsewhere. As the area becomes more appealing to pedestrians, it attracts both visitors and investors.

For Hamilton in particular, this kind of arrangement can provide the momentum and investment to restore and revitalize our beautiful downtown neighbourhoods that preceded cars and are already designed with pedestrians in mind.
 
Good luck trying to convince people to vote for that. Thats like asking hem to vote for tripple taxes.
 
My own impression

My own impression is that given how full our street parking is, in most areas of town, the supply/demand curve clearly indicates the need for higher pricing.

I think there are a lot of business districts where business owners and employees are parking on-street instead of the shoppers, cause turnover is often very low.

But I hasten to add, we can't increase prices too steeply all at once or people will squawk.

I think raising prices by .50c per hour, twice over say 3 years should largely accomplish the goal (that being both reduced demand/modal shift, but also higher turnover in retained spaces for those who really do need to drive to a given area).

But we also need to start putting up Pay & Display on the side streets in areas like Greektown & The Beach, and just exempt residential permit holders from paying twice. Having that parking free to shoppers/workers makes no sense.
 
I can understand where you are coming from. But there should be a few different options too. I could see them implamenting a sticker or something of that nature that you pay monthly or yearly for. Most people will get it out of convience. And the City's would make more that way then just by meter alone.
The sticker would entitle you to park at a meter without putting money in. But how many people have to park at a meter everyday? only a fraction. But on the days that you do. have you ever realized at the last minute that you don't have any change? It could be a very good idea to implament.
 
If I were king of the forest I'd open up as much parking downtown as possible. I'd lower parking rates and ease off on the excessive ticketing (tax collecting) that goes on now. There are people in those cars and we need to keep people downtown. If we had affordable taxis and a better (more comprehensive and faster) transit system I might not feel the same way.
I don't understand the argument about getting cars off the roads to ease congestion. Road space is finite. You can only fit so many cars in a given space. Traffic becomes self regulatory. When it becomes too difficult to drive people will find another way. We don't need to artificially make it more difficult. Unless you've tried to take your children shopping or the doctor or somewhere fast in the winter or in the rain please don't preach about the evils of the car unless you can offer a viable alternative.
I live downtown, always have. I rode my bike to work all year round for 17 years and I still ride it on the weekends to get around. I'd love to see a non polluting alternative to the cars we now drive. But it isn't here yet. We don't need to punish people that need to drive and have no alternative.
 
If I were king of the forest I'd open up as much parking downtown as possible. I'd lower parking rates and ease off on the excessive ticketing (tax collecting) that goes on now. There are people in those cars and we need to keep people downtown. If we had affordable taxis and a better (more comprehensive and faster) transit system I might not feel the same way.
I don't understand the argument about getting cars off the roads to ease congestion. Road space is finite. You can only fit so many cars in a given space. Traffic becomes self regulatory. When it becomes too difficult to drive people will find another way. We don't need to artificially make it more difficult. Unless you've tried to take your children shopping or the doctor or somewhere fast in the winter or in the rain please don't preach about the evils of the car unless you can offer a viable alternative.
I live downtown, always have. I rode my bike to work all year round for 17 years and I still ride it on the weekends to get around. I'd love to see a non polluting alternative to the cars we now drive. But it isn't here yet. We don't need to punish people that need to drive and have no alternative.

If you NEED to drive then surely a fee for parking isn't going to stop you. The idea is that charging (more) for parking will make people think twice before taking an unnecessary trip in their car that could be made via another mode - walking, biking or transit.

Charging more for parking will also lead to more open spaces for those necessary car trips. I'd rather spend $5 and easily find a space than drive around the block for hours looking for a $2 space.
 

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