Hopkins123
Senior Member
Yikes! They may as well toll all the highways through the GTA and be done with it. Imagine the billion$ even one pre-Brown administration year could yield if tolling the 401 from Milton to Oshawa.
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New Transit Funding Sources
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W. K. Lis
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Does Patrick Brown mean to say that former Premier Mike Harris was wrong to have downloaded the QEW (427 to Humber River) to the City of Toronto? Will Patrick Brown recommend that the province upload the Gardiner and Don Valley to the province, so that tolls will not be implemented?
AlvinofDiaspar
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He may net propose to do that (just to take away the power of the City of Toronto to do anything, in quasi-perpetuity). I am sure a chunk of the suburban councillors would love to see that happen.
I guess my response to PB is - since he loves downtown issues so much, he should run there.
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rbt
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Interesting; particularly the statement from the mayors office.
If I was Tory and didn't mind stirring shit (is he willing to go to bat for Wynne this election?), I'd immediately implement a 30 year tax line labelled "Gardiner/DVP tax" with a footnote "to be refunded when tolls are approved"; it should be sized to cover all capital+operations of those highways (I'd include police/fire/ambulance portions too).
It gets the funding and puts the blame squarely on the province.
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crs1026
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Brown's comment that Wynne has been underfunding cities could come back to bite him. Ls he proposing to reopen the tap? How will he raise that money?
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Steve X
Senior Member
I doubt he's even aware of that. Like the former, he's just a snake biting the premier's tail. Clueless and naive. The Cons have no interest in building transit. They just stall like Mike Harris and Rob Ford did. Like it or not, tolls or some other unwanted tax need to happen as the highways start falling apart while investing in more transit. A 1% regional sales tax would be highly unpopular too.
salsa
Senior Member
Yeah I'm sure he'll upload the highways as soon as the mayor is finished spending billions of Toronto money on his Gardiner initiatives.
Euphoria
Active Member
What Gardiner initiatives? The Gardiner Hybrid shows lack of initiative.
salsa
Senior Member
The NDP has joined forces with the PCs in opposition of road tolls.
“The last thing we want in a province where people are struggling to pay the bills is having to pay more to use the roads and the buses.” - Andrea Horwath
https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/12/09/mpps-send-symbolic-vote-against-road-tolls.html
“The last thing we want in a province where people are struggling to pay the bills is having to pay more to use the roads and the buses.” - Andrea Horwath
https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/12/09/mpps-send-symbolic-vote-against-road-tolls.html
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Isn't it cute that we have a party that built the 407 as a toll highway and a party that sold it in a way such that it remains forever as one lecturing about the evils of toll highways?
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salsa
Senior Member
And the mayor was opposed to road tolls until he wasn't. Literally everybody has flip flopped on this.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Politics makes for a strange reality. And of course, it's even more amusing that the mayor was the leader of one of the said parties.
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TOareaFan
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I do see the irony....but they may tell you there is (in their mind) a difference between building a road where none existed before and having it as a toll road from the onset and charging tolls on an existing road. I think the distinction is irrelevant (and I am guessing you do to) but that is probably what they would suggest.
AlvinofDiaspar
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Saw that argument coming, but for them to go down that road is tantamount to sophical BS in my books.
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