New poll says most Canadians blame U.S. for 9/11 attacks

[toforumer]

I just find it completely ridiculous that people think the USA were apart and gave a helping hand to pull off these terrorist attacks. All the conspiracy theories that are pulled out of people's asses, I still would find it hard that a country would do this to themselves.

 

[adma]

Ganja's spousal-abuse analogy's probably most apt. It isn't so much that the US deliberately inflicted 9/11 upon itself; it's more like, in the eyes of those who blame the US, "they had it coming"...

 

[toforumer]

They had it coming? That's such a harsh thing to say. It's like saying They Truly desereved to be the victims of a tragic mass murder. I guess life doesn't mean much!!

 

[Antiloop33rpm]

All the conspiracy theories that are pulled out of people's asses, I still would find it hard that a country would do this to themselves.

That is why all these theories will remain just that; a bunch of unproven hypothesis. Despite the past few years the US is still a remarkably free society. Yes conservative propoghanda and view points have become dominant but this is more because of Liberal complacency and failing to stand up for themselves more in the past decades.

If those people who propose all these alternate theories really wanted to prove them there is no reason they couldn't. There exists a free press, a right to freedom of speech and to believe whatever one wants to believe. There are universities and other academic institutions where scientific research could be conducted to prove (or disprove) the theories regarding the physics of the collapse. There are plenty of crazy, eccentric rich people who would probably help with funding. There are plenty of media outlets where the message could be spread (and has) and could also assist in valueable journalistic research.

Yet there seems to very little interest in actually conducting the valueable scientific research which could easily prove (or disprove) many of these theories. Instead most of the effort seems to focused on creating lots of theories and ideas and scenarios as too what happened, broadcasting them in media, and then accussing the government of hiding information when their stories (which is largely all they are at this point) are not taken seriously.

The truth is not black and white. It is not just one persons, or one countries fault. It is a complicated event that covers decades of domestic and international politics, religous ideologies, arrogance, nationalism, empire building, and likely hundreds of other factors. No one book, movie, person or discipline can summarize it up in a nice neat package that is easily understadable.

And thats exactly why conspiracies will continue to live on. They are simple, easy and require little effort. They are wild stories straight out of an action movie that provide answers, salvation and adventure. Perfect for sequels. And they give you enough time to be home and in bed for the 11:00 news.

 

[bizorky]

Yes. But there are still more than enough jingoistic Americans to keep electing Neo-conservative governments and contuining the steady flow of propoghanda and nonsense policy.

And these voters get to keep electing the neo-con governments because too many Americans have simply stopped voting.

They had it coming? That's such a harsh thing to say.

Sure is! The individuals who carried out the attacks on September 11th were hardly the people who experienced the brunt of any negative aspects of American foreign policy. In general, they came from middle class - or even upper middle class families - and were in many instances, university educated.

 

[TdotTrickyRicky]

I think it is fine and healthy for conspiracy theories and films like Loose change to exist, but I did have somewhat of a problem with the CBC segment that weighted the conspiracy theorist ideas equally with the official documentation saying the viewer should decide for themselves. With respect to the structural collapses there are hundreds of experts in this field who have poured over the scenerio officially and unofficially who have no bias or interest in protecting US government interests. Details may be discussed but there is very little that remains mysterious in terms of the general collapse mechanisms. To suggest that these conclusions should be considered equally with the musings of largely laymen observers borders on reckless in my opinion.

 

[afransen TO]

Anti, if you're utterly convinced that nothing fishy is going on, what do you think would cause the US government to keep video record of the attack on the Pentagon classified even five years later? If it's 'case closed', why would there be a need for the video footage to be classified? Personally, I find that very, very suspicious.

 

[wonderboy905]

Anti, if you're utterly convinced that nothing fishy is going on, what do you think would cause the US government to keep video record of the attack on the Pentagon classified even five years later? If it's 'case closed', why would there be a need for the video footage to be classified? Personally, I find that very, very suspicious.

Becuase right when the conspiracy nuts finally get the attention of the mainstream media... BAM... they finally release the tape of the plane actually hitting the Pentagon and sliding into the 16 foot hole created while vapourizing at the same time...

 

[ganjavih]

I don't know exactly what happened with 9/11 but I have a feeling there's a lot more to it than meets the eye. There's a lot we don't know.

"Damn! That's a whole lotta anti-American Americans! "

^Yes. But there are still more than enough jingoistic Americans to keep electing Neo-conservative governments and contuining the steady flow of propoghanda and nonsense policy.

I think cdl42's sarcastic point was that when Canadians blame the US for something, it's dismissed as smug Canadian knee-jerk anti-Americanism. People forget that the "they had it coming" view is almost universal around the world. You'd have a tough time finding any country in the world where the majority of the populace feels the US was an innocent victim.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

And keep in mind the Taliban is a direct offspring of the US-Soviet proxy war that is Afghanistan. I wonder which president has their hands on this one.

AoD

 

[roch5220]

Keep in mind that the cororner in pennslyvania has yet to see a drop of blood or body part from that crash site. Yet they find a passport from one of the terrorists. I don't draw any final conclusions from anything, just that things don't seem to add up, especially from that hole in the ground that looks nothing like similar crashes. Theres many unresolved issues that in normal circumstances, like other crashes, are quite clear cut.

At minimum, its fair to say that the US knew a lot more (that wasn't discounted by intelligence agencies in the US and Israel) before 9/11 happened. I am not saying they necessarily aided and abetted, but if they did do nothing to stop it, thats definatley in the same leagues.

 

[bizorky]

There's a lot we don't know.

A troubling sentence as one can't really "know" the content of what is "unknown." While I understand the aim, it is important that evidence fills the blank spots rather than speculation, or worse, unfounded conspiracy theories.


In the absence of clear meaning, there is always a want to fill in the randomness with some rationalization for events. It is a normal reaction, but does not always provide a clear record of what actually happened.

 

[alklay]

The 9/11 conspiracy theories are probably the most intellectually lazy and ignorant arguments out there. I do not even know where to begin. Heck, the very idea that a plane did not hit the Pentagon (and a missle did) is a new high in intellectual dishonesty (uuh, so where exactly did that plane, and all the passengers, disappear to?).

There was talk of the Popular Mechanics piece on the myths and for those who are interested, here it is: www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

 

[Ed007Toronto]

(uuh, so where exactly did that plane, and all the passengers, disappear to?).

Remember Capricorn One? lol

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn_One

 

[cassiusa]

I'm going to start a new theory based on no facts. The Pentagon has a very expensive and (usually) unseen protection system. Releasing the full video footage of the plane crashing into the Pentagon would reveal it's forcefields... err, I mean classified defensive systems.