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Abeja de Almirante

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Looks like the Mississauga Indians are trying to make claim to all of Toronto. This should have been expected and planned for once Canada began re-opening "negotiations" with the descendants of Canada's original native folks.
 
I somehow doubt restlessness has much to do with it.

Could you maybe re-post an article for debate?
 
And while you're at it, stop using racist words like "indians".
 
Yes. First Nations People don't use it to describe themselves, and it's the worst sort of racism to assume the power to define or name a group.
 
Actually, my neighbour identifies himself as Status Indian. So, big deal. The worst thing about Indian is the fact that it is inaccurate, and when I think of Indians I think India.


A lot of Europeans find it amazing that Canadians and Americans use the term "natives" because it evokes colonialist images of "civilizing the natives" or...."the natives are restless."

I think this thread should be killed.
 
I agree there may be better terms and some people may prefer one or the other, but "Indian" ain't racist considering many Natives (especially in the US) quite happily use that term as well as countless Native associations across North America. They may decide to change the names in the future, but it's not up to us to declare the word racist.

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Lots of groups refer to themselves using the racist terms that have been imposed upon them. This is known as "tearing down the master's house with the master's tools." It doesn't remove the inherent racism of a non-member of such a group using such a term.
 
Sorry gang, I had to tend to the kids. I thought this Indian claim on Toronto was common knowledge by now, as it's been in the media for a few days now, including CBC radio this morning.

www.firstperspective.ca/f...0611treaty

Indians say 1787 land surrender was invalid... shades of Caledonia?

by Bob Aaron

So you think you have good title to your home in Toronto?
Think again.
It turns out that a huge portion of the City of Toronto is in fact subject to a valid native land claim, which affects the title to millions of Toronto properties. I was reminded of this claim when I received an email from Stanley Dantowitz, a law clerk at Borden Ladner Gervais LLP in Toronto.
"An aboriginal land claim in the present city of Toronto (and to the north and east of it) is not as remote a possibility as some may believe," Dantowitz wrote.
He referred me to the website of the federal Indian Claims Commission ( www.indianclaims.ca) where I obtained and read the 42-page report on the Toronto Purchase Claim made by the Mississaugas of the New Credit First Nation. The report was issued by commissioner Daniel J. Bellegarde in June 2003 and makes fascinating reading.
In the 1780s, the British colonial authorities in this area became interested in a tract of land on the north shore of Lake Ontario, which included the "Carrying Place" of Toronto. A meeting was eventually held in 1787 between Sir John Johnson, the chief superintendent of Indian affairs, and three native chiefs.
The parties concluded the meeting by signing an Indian surrender of lands "on the north side of Lake Ontario." The surrender document was essentially a blank signed deed of Indian land in favour of the Crown, and the intention was that the dimensions would be inserted in the deed when the land was later surveyed.
A year later, British surveyors arrived and ran into a dispute with a local Mississauga chief who claimed that the natives had not sold any land east of the Don River.
The British officials then began to have serious doubts about the validity of the 1787 Toronto Purchase surrender, and in 1805 an attempt was made to rectify it.
That year, a new Toronto Purchase agreement was signed. Although it was portrayed as a simple affirmation of the 1787 transaction, the record shows that the boundaries were much larger than those intended by the British to be in the earlier deed.
The Indian chiefs who signed it received the magnificent sum of 10 shillings in total for their co-operation in signing over 392 square miles of land.
In 1998, the Mississaugas of New Credit First Nation filed a land claim alleging that the government in 1805 failed to inform them that the 1787 surrender was invalid.
They also assert that the second surrender in 1805, intended by the government to ratify the 1787 purchase and validate the surrender, included more land than was originally agreed to by the First Nation in the 1787 surrender.
The 1805 surrender, for example, included the Toronto Islands, which the First Nation claims were explicitly excluded from the 1787 surrender. The First Nation also claims that they never accepted the boundaries laid out under the 1805 surrender.
In 2002, Robert Nault, then minister of Indian Affairs, informed the chief of the Mississaugas of the New Credit First Nation that the Canadian government accepted that the circumstances surrounding the 1805 surrender constituted a breach of a lawful obligation of the government.
The basis of the decision was that the agreement between the Indians and the Crown had not been fulfilled.
Since 2003, negotiators have been trying to agree on what constitutes fair cash compensation for the losses to the First Nation as a result of the 1805 Toronto Purchase.
A government statement at the time announced that the current ownership of that land is not in question and is not at issue in the claim.
Fortunately, no one is blockading the Don Valley Parkway over the 1805 land surrender. Court orders are not being violated and everyone is behaving civilly. Ultimately, it seems that blame will fall where it should — at the hands of the government.
Too bad the Caledonia natives couldn't settle their land claim in the same way.
Now it seems that those of us who own property in Toronto don't really have good title to it, but the government is going to bail us out with our own money.
I wonder how much all of Toronto is worth, from the Don River to the Etobicoke Creek? Maybe the British should pay the claim, since they created the problem in the first place.
No insult intended on using the Indian term. I'll use Natives if that makes everyone more happy. It's interesting how we accept and even demand certain words for our groups, but then change our mind later. Okay then, let's ask groups what they want to be called, errr...the United Negro College Fund is renowned for its work, but just try calling anyone from African descent a Negro today, or how about the NAACP's use of "Coloured" Persons? Just feels dirty using such terms. If "Indian" is in the same category then let's switch to First Nations, but as long as any band or tribe has Indian in its name, well, someone must be accepting it.
 
We're getting a bit too "PC" here. I also am aware of natives using the word "Indian" to refer to themselves (a visit to Wikwemikong on Manitoulin Island last year, among other instances).

The word doesn't reflect pejoratively on natives, in most people's opinions. If anything it reflects poorly on ignorant whites in the late 1400s who mistakenly thought they had arrived in India by sailing west from Europe.
 
"Ignorant" insofar as they had no idea that there was another continent in the way to getting to India, or Japan, or China.

As for "claiming" the GTA, talk about living in the past.
 
The money that they will be paid to settle the claim is a very present, or at least, near future thing.
 
As for "claiming" the GTA, talk about living in the past.
My thoughts exactly. Move on people. The land's gone, the original claimants are gone, and the government you negotiated with no longer has jurisdiction. IMO, I have no right to land or property solely because my great-great-great grandparents owned it, even if it was stolen from them.
 
And while you're at it, stop using racist words like "indians".

I lived on the Queen Charlottes for almost a year in undergrad -which is majority Haida. They generally referred to themselves as Haida if discussing themselves in particular or Indians or Natives if using the word in a general way. To be honest, I got the impression that they thought "First Nations" was sort of just for university students and the Gov't workers (fed/prov) who were uncomfortable with the whole situation. The reality is that most natives in Canada dont tend to go to universties and live in rural reserves or inner cities and so dont tend to be the most polically correct people. But I agree they deserve not to get stuck with other peoples labels - including cheezy ones like 'First Nations'.
 
My thoughts exactly. Move on people. The land's gone, the original claimants are gone, and the government you negotiated with no longer has jurisdiction. IMO, I have no right to land or property solely because my great-great-great grandparents owned it, even if it was stolen from them.

I think the original claim is still valid...that government may be gone, but I think there is some continuity at play.

If they have a legal claim, they should by all means pursue it.
 

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