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scarberiankhatru
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^ Me too! I've also logged in from my 4th floor apartment in North York...which is obscure because there's like 500 apartments in North York and I'm not telling which one it was.
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adma
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I'm not sure if that qualifies as a recommendation or a condemnation. Recall that the Mississauga City Hall got the cover of one of his earlier books.
Yes, and only a crabby nitwit on the warpath against even upper-echelon 80s PoMo would deem that a "condemnation"...
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andreapalladio
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If only it were upper echelon 80s PoMo...
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adma
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It is, it is. By that count, you might as well say Toronto City Hall isn't particularly upper-echelon either--y'know, humdrum Saarinen knockoff that was probably chosen because Saarinen was on the jury.
AP, why're you so prone to manipulating history and judgment according to your own personal whims and predilections? It makes you look like a sleazebag, y'know...
AP, why're you so prone to manipulating history and judgment according to your own personal whims and predilections? It makes you look like a sleazebag, y'know...
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esplanade guy
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Most obscure Location
I logged in from Da Lat, Vietnam last winter.
I logged in from Da Lat, Vietnam last winter.
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andreapalladio
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Re: Most obscure Location
Adma, apparently only you in your indecipherable faux-academic speak and Jencks think Mississauga City Hall is upper echelon anything, unless it's an upper echelon cliche.
Adma, apparently only you in your indecipherable faux-academic speak and Jencks think Mississauga City Hall is upper echelon anything, unless it's an upper echelon cliche.
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bizorky
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Re: Most obscure Location
I sense hostility.
Yes, and only a crabby nitwit on the warpath...
I sense hostility.
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adma
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Re: Most obscure Location
Er, Jencks + the overall international publicity garnered by the 1982 competition *is* enough to qualify it as "upper echelon", *no matter what* one's subjective artistic opinion is. So if you just quit being an insufferable Marie Antoinette of vaginaphobic style snob with absolutely *no* sensitivity to various extenuating historical/social/contextual factors, you'd understand.
Besides, I'll betcha that if you survey most of Canada's architecture-heads in high places--even those without a present personal predilection for such architecture--and you'll find it's more than myself and Jencks who'd give similar credit where due re MissCH, a seminal work of its time and place, etc. And they'd more likely view your hubris as that of an arrogant, insensitive boob...
Adma, apparently only you in your indecipherable faux-academic speak and Jencks think Mississauga City Hall is upper echelon anything, unless it's an upper echelon cliche.
Er, Jencks + the overall international publicity garnered by the 1982 competition *is* enough to qualify it as "upper echelon", *no matter what* one's subjective artistic opinion is. So if you just quit being an insufferable Marie Antoinette of vaginaphobic style snob with absolutely *no* sensitivity to various extenuating historical/social/contextual factors, you'd understand.
Besides, I'll betcha that if you survey most of Canada's architecture-heads in high places--even those without a present personal predilection for such architecture--and you'll find it's more than myself and Jencks who'd give similar credit where due re MissCH, a seminal work of its time and place, etc. And they'd more likely view your hubris as that of an arrogant, insensitive boob...
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Archivistower
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Re: Most obscure Location
I kind of like MissyCityHall. I'm not likely to apologise for it, either.
I've logged into UT from both Buenos Aires and Istanbul, which must count for something. I find it both odd and comforting to see the discussions continuing when I am in another city.
I kind of like MissyCityHall. I'm not likely to apologise for it, either.
I've logged into UT from both Buenos Aires and Istanbul, which must count for something. I find it both odd and comforting to see the discussions continuing when I am in another city.
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spmarshall
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Re: Most obscure Location
I have logged in from both Canadian coasts (St. John's and Victoria), so that must count for something.
I agree, it's kind of odd and comforting to read about stuff going on in Toronto in a place like Vancouver, New York, Chicago or London, places always mentioned on this board.
I have logged in from both Canadian coasts (St. John's and Victoria), so that must count for something.
I agree, it's kind of odd and comforting to read about stuff going on in Toronto in a place like Vancouver, New York, Chicago or London, places always mentioned on this board.
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bizorky
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Re: Most obscure Location
adma, what's the deal?
What's with the ad hominem attacks here? If there is, as you suggest, no matter as to what one's subjective opinion is, then why the assault on character? Someone has a different opinion than yours. So what?
Deal with it.
adma, what's the deal?
*no matter what* one's subjective artistic opinion is. So if you just quit being an insufferable Marie Antoinette of vaginaphobic style snob with absolutely *no* sensitivity to various extenuating historical/social/contextual factors, you'd understand.
AP, why're you so prone to manipulating history and judgment according to your own personal whims and predilections? It makes you look like a sleazebag, y'know...
And they'd more likely view your hubris as that of an arrogant, insensitive boob...
What's with the ad hominem attacks here? If there is, as you suggest, no matter as to what one's subjective opinion is, then why the assault on character? Someone has a different opinion than yours. So what?
Deal with it.
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adma
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Re: Most obscure Location
It's because AP's oblivious to context. It's all about what *he* thinks and what *he* likes. And he doesn't give a flying carp about the fact that 9 out of 10 experts in the field would likely place Jencks' authority above his own.
That is, he's misrepresenting his opinion as, er, "expert consensus"...
It's because AP's oblivious to context. It's all about what *he* thinks and what *he* likes. And he doesn't give a flying carp about the fact that 9 out of 10 experts in the field would likely place Jencks' authority above his own.
That is, he's misrepresenting his opinion as, er, "expert consensus"...
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andreapalladio
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Re: Most obscure Location
Nonsense. I misrepresent nothing - that's your stock in trade. My opinions are just that, my opinions.
Nonsense. I misrepresent nothing - that's your stock in trade. My opinions are just that, my opinions.
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adma
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Re: Most obscure Location
Put it this way. Let's take a hypothetical super-jury of Canuckistani architectural/critical/historical big shots high and low, say, G. Baird, L. Richards, P. Lambert, L. Rochon, C. Hume, H. Kalman, M. Polo, etc etc ad infinitum, and have them choose the most important works of Canadian architecture from the 1980s.
Almost certainly given such a jury, Mississauga City Hall will place Top 10, if not Top 5. And that's no misrepresentation. (Though knowing you, you'd probably claim that what I'm misrepresenting is the so-called importance of said "big shots"...)
Put it this way. Let's take a hypothetical super-jury of Canuckistani architectural/critical/historical big shots high and low, say, G. Baird, L. Richards, P. Lambert, L. Rochon, C. Hume, H. Kalman, M. Polo, etc etc ad infinitum, and have them choose the most important works of Canadian architecture from the 1980s.
Almost certainly given such a jury, Mississauga City Hall will place Top 10, if not Top 5. And that's no misrepresentation. (Though knowing you, you'd probably claim that what I'm misrepresenting is the so-called importance of said "big shots"...)
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Archivistower
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Re: Most obscure Location
My opinions are just that, my opinions. :rolleyes
My opinions are just that, my opinions. :rolleyes