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Montréal Transit Developments

I'm happy that we finally moved to a transit discussion than the clusterfuck posts in the last pages. I will gladly try to refind the references to the Canada Line projected usage and basis of the current project. I had use it as a basis of a light metro planning for Ottawa in 2006.

Remember at the time that the elected officials of the Vancouver region were in doubt of ever achieving that ridership, and only LRT (Toronto kind, not Montréal kind) was acceptable. Basically the first experience of pre-Coquitlam, pre-Surrey LRT planning.
 
The Canada Line is a Tonka Toy and this nothing that it will EVER be able to reach 15,000 PPHPD is absurd. I don't think it will ever be able to handle more than 12,000 and even that's pushing it.

Besides the trains being very small, so are the stations with very thin bordering on dangerous width platforms making circulation very difficult. This 15k figure also assumes that everyone can get packed in assuming they aren't carrying and bags {even though it connects many post-secondaries} and everyone going to YVR is only carrying a wallet. The line also have single track going into both Richmond and YVR which greatly reduces frequency and can be a cause of MAJOR delays if even one train breaks down as there is no alternative track for other trains to use.

Then there is the problem at Waterfront. Translink has a policy of keeping a spare train at the end of the route {like the SkyTrains} so they can be easily deployed if needed...……… a sound policy. Unfortunately they didn't build Waterfront with a spare track/storing area so one train sits there all day not budging. That's right they think they can run trains each direction every 90 seconds at the end of a route, at one of the busiest stations all using one track.

It would require trains running every 60 seconds, a more than doubling of the fleet, all trains being 50 meters, huge new train station expansion with more exity/entry, wider platforms, better circulation, a new underground train parking area at Waterfront, and a twinning and redo all of the single platform rail stations in order to bring the CL near 15k. In other words it's not just adding more trains but also a MASSIVE spending in actual infrastructure along the route itself.
 
Okay, the recent back-and-forth between two members has been cleaned out.

Both of you — quit it — move on. No-one else wants to see it nor cares particularly about slight #1, 2, or 3. Discuss the matter at hand in the thread, and not each other.

Everyone (CityStay was another member who was recently sent on a brief holiday for the same reason): whenever we get threads where any other city beyond the centre of the crazy universe is mentioned, emotions tend to run high. Don't let them get the better of you. No personal attacks. Anyone who gets reported for further attacks will likely be going on a summer holiday.

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Montreal will have, by any definition, the largest subway system in the country by a long shot in just a few short years. RER of course could also be brought up to full subway/Metro standards quite easily by getting rid of the remaining level crossings but unfortunately that won't happen because ML seems intent on using those precious funds to instead build parking garages. As an example, the Union to Brampton section on the KW line is already completely grade separated and any other would simply run more trains with the same fares and make it part of the standard TTC subway system but that would require putting the needs of the travelling public ahead of the needs of the feudal TTC/GO mentalities.
 
Montreal will have, by any definition, the largest subway system in the country by a long shot in just a few short years. RER of course could also be brought up to full subway/Metro standards quite easily by getting rid of the remaining level crossings but unfortunately that won't happen because ML seems intent on using those precious funds to instead build parking garages.

By some's definition, REM is still not a subway. It is a "Light Rail" hence Montreal will never have the largest subway system in the country.;)
 
Similarly, MTL's EXO remaining commuter trains system could be turned into a full day 15 minutes RER type metro too... but that's dreaming... like Toronto's Ontario Line by operating by 2030.

Montreal will have, by any definition, the largest subway system in the country by a long shot in just a few short years. RER of course could also be brought up to full subway/Metro standards quite easily by getting rid of the remaining level crossings but unfortunately that won't happen because ML seems intent on using those precious funds to instead build parking garages. As an example, the Union to Brampton section on the KW line is already completely grade separated and any other would simply run more trains with the same fares and make it part of the standard TTC subway system but that would require putting the needs of the travelling public ahead of the needs of the feudal TTC/GO mentalities.
 
Blue line extension?
The 5-km extension that they re announced on page 1 of this thread, a decade ago? Well, it looks with the federal funding announcement, that it might indeed open before the 2020s are out.

Yes, if you count the every 15-minute off-peak RER-rail like service on the three northern REM spurs, that is not in a subway (except under the airport runways at Dorval) as subway, but neglect the 30-km of Line 5 and Line 6, 23-km Pearson RER-like service in Toronto and the 106-km Oshawa to Aldershot (and hopefully 70 more kilometres on 3 other lines, from Union to Bramalea, Unionville, and Aurora) RER-like service which should be running in the 2020s (part of it is 15-minutes mid-day already), then Montreal will have a bigger subway

The REM is an odd hybrid - a red-headed stepchild. The 8-km piece with 7 stations from Bois-Franc (hopefully an Orange Line transfer station one day) to Edouard-Montpetit (Blue Line) with every 2.5 to 5 minute service is very metro-like ... and part of the original 1961 Metro proposal. As is the next 4-km from Edouard-Montpetit to Central (Bonaventure). This 12-km line is nothing short of brilliant, and long over-due. Then the 16-km southern piece of the line from there to Autoroute 30 on the South Shore, will also have very 2.5 to 5 minute service - though only has 5 stations.

So that's 28-km of very metro-like service on the REM

But the remaining 39 km of the REM only adds 12 more stations, and the service is more more like RER (15-minute of-peak). West of Bois-Franc it branches into 3 much more suburban services, with the next station ranging from about 6.5 km (Sunnbrooke) to 9 km (Sources) depending on the branch.

In reality, both cities have had transit stagnating for years. It's been over 30 years since the last Metro station opened in Montreal, with only 5 km and 3 stations built in suburban Laval, north of Montreal in the early 2000s. Toronto has fared only slightly better since then with 16.5 km and 11 new stations in the last 30 years.

And now both cities are seeing the greatest transit expansion in over 30 years. For all the comments about which one is better, and measuring who has the biggest extension, the similarities far outweigh the differences. Can we just discuss the project without the needless comparison.

Perhaps the thread itself - which refers to the long-cancelled 2009 announcement of over 25 km of extensions to the Blue, Orange, and Yellow lines, by a long-banned user, should be renamed.

Regardless of whether or not REM is what we traditionally locally call a subway, there's no question that it's a metro by any definition.
For the 28 km east of Bois Franc - absolutely. Personally, I wouldn't call every 15-minute mid-day or weekend service as "Metro". If it was only very late at night ... sure. But not at mid-day. I think that frequent service is required - and in a Toronto context, that's normally a minimum of every 10 minutes. With every 6 minutes being the off-peak minimum on Line 1 to Line 4 (though it's slipped a bit to 6.75 minutes on Line 3, off-peak, with the rehabilitation-related service cuts).

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Regardless of whether or not REM is what we traditionally locally call a subway, there's no question that it's a metro by any definition.

As far as designating who has the longest subway system though, I believe that if the REM comes out as a separate fare than the Montreal Subway, it doesnt count.

Then i consider REM and the Montreal subway 2 separate systems.
 
By some's definition, REM is still not a subway. It is a "Light Rail" hence Montreal will never have the largest subway system in the country.;)

The entire Manilla Metro is Light Rail as is, technically, Vancouver but both are considered full Metro/subway. As we have discussed before, technology has nothing to do with it the classification but rather it being electrified, frequent, urban, and grade separated.
 
As far as designating who has the longest subway system though, I believe that if the REM comes out as a separate fare than the Montreal Subway, it doesnt count.

Then i consider REM and the Montreal subway 2 separate systems.

By the time the REM is in service, all fares in the Montreal metro area are supposed to be fully integrated by the ARTM (which is the organization responsible for establishing fares in the Montreal region).

This fare integration will include the REM, STM, RTL, STL, and exo. Fares will probably be by zone, but the ARTM has not announced a decision yet (they will by year-end I believe). So you'll be able to transfer from the bus to the REM and then to the metro with a single ticket, which should cost about the same as what people are paying today in their respective zones.
 
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The entire Manilla Metro is Light Rail as is, technically, Vancouver but both are considered full Metro/subway. As we have discussed before, technology has nothing to do with it the classification but rather it being electrified, frequent, urban, and grade separated.

by that definition... the St. Clair street car qualifies, but half of the soon to be built LRT on Eglington won't.
 

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