Monorail for Toronto

[rbt]

Another advantage is that Monorail can have at grade stations were feasible due to their ability to make far sharper curves and ability to negotiate far higher grades than LRT, subway, or even SkyTrain.

I'm unsure what this has to do with the type of track. Isn't this mostly constrained by the body length, number of articulations, and freedom of movement for the bogies (or similar) within the vehicle?

If we built high capacity monorail, I doubt we would model it after the Jersy airport system which has an articulation every 5 feet.

 

[urbanfan89]

The TTC was at its most efficient when it stuck with four vanilla technologies to provide transit services: subway, streetcar, buses, and electric trolleys. Every time it tried to venture into a new, prototype technology and reinvent the wheel, it was left with expensive and unreliable lemons: ICTS, natural gas buses, ALRV/CLRV, and so forth. Now the system is dilapidated and demoralized so much that it takes months to repair escalators and staff are asleep on the job.

At the very least, the TTC needs to run vanilla, off the shelf, existing technologies efficiently and competently for many years before it can consider trying out a new and not very proven technology. Otherwise, we will be repeating the same mistakes.

NOTICE TO TTC PASSENGERS: DUE TO AN ICE STORM ON FEBRUARY 10, THE EGLINTON MONORAIL LINE WILL BE SUSPENDED UNTIL APRIL 14. BUS ROUTES 32M AND 34 M WILL BE RUNNING AT AN INTERVAL OF 30 SECONDS DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS.

 

[ssiguy2]

One of the key benefits of Monorail over SkyTrain is that the is on a exposed track while Monorail all have their mechanisms covered.
NOTICE TO TTC PASSENGERS: DUE TO AN ICE STORM THE EGLINTON LRT WILL BE SUSPENDED FOR THE REST OF THE AFTERNOON DUE TO A CAR ACCIDENT AT ONE OF THE CROSSING INTERSECTIONS. BUS ROUTES 32M and 34M WILL ALSO NOT BE RUNNING AS THEY CAN'T GET THRU THE INTERSECTION EITHER.

 

[EnviroTO]

Notice to TTC Passengers: The likelihood of a monorail being built in places other than the airport or the zoo is extremely low. Elevated structures are frowned upon as an intrusion of their privacy and residents even tend to complain about the potential noise of at grade transit. The SRT extention to Malvern from Sheppard to Malvern Town Centre has been forced underground due to resident opposition. A condola system has a greater chance of being built over Toronto neighbourhoods due to complete silence.

 

[Justin10000]

Notice to ttc passengers: A wheel has fallen off a monorail train killing a pedestrian below. All service will be suspended as we investigate the incident, and attempt to tow the train to the depot.

Attention passengers: There will be no monorail service today, as we install drip pans along the entire line to address the ongoing problem of oil leaking from the trains. Replacement bus service will be provided.

Attention passengers: We screwed up. Monorail has bee a tremendous failure, and we apologize for wasting 1 billion dollars to build a 5km line. Bus replacement service will be provided instead.

 

[Second_in_pie]

^^ I didn't know the SRT was considered a monorail!

 

[golodhendil]

Attention passengers, due to a powerline being pulled down by an LRT at Yonge station, service in the underground section of the Eglinton line is suspended until further notice. Shuttle buses will be provided in the mean time.
At the same time, due to a traffic accident at Victoria Park Ave., where an LRT was struck by an illegally U-turning vehicle, shuttle bus service will continue on to Kennedy station until police investigation is completed.

 

[Voltz]

Does it really need to be mentioned how often subways are shut down?

 

[ssiguy2]

All systems have their good and bad points, that is one thing {and probably the only thing} we can all agree upon.
Elevated LRT is a complete waste of money. It requires concrete tracks like a SkyTrain and unlike Sub/Sky/Mon they cannot have automated operations which saves a lot of money over the long term. Elevated subways are considerable less esthetically pleasing as the trains/cars weigh so much that not only do they require larger pylons but they must also be placed much closer together. SkyTrain can defiantly work but it does have the problem with Toronto winters and it is a elevated two track train so the shadow area is larger. Monorails are the cheapest to build due to most can be built off site, the beams are the smallest of the three and most, although not all, run on rubber wheels making them MUCH quieter which is a big consideration when going down roadway medians. Monorail also has, by far, the greatest turning abilities which can mean that due to this manuverability they can more easily avoid large underground water and electrical lines saving a small fortune and making construction that much easier.

 

[GraphicMatt]

Attention passengers: due to an alien invasion all transit service is shut down.

Oh my god we should never build any transit!! (It is just going to get shut down due to aliens.)

 

[rbt]

It requires concrete tracks like a SkyTrain and unlike Sub/Sky/Mon they cannot have automated operations which saves a lot of money over the long term.

What does the signal system and cab controls have to do with the type of rails?

FYI, Eglinton in the tunnel portion is planned to be ATC using the exact same system as is being installed on Yonge subway.

 

[ssiguy2]

^ I was talking about the elevated stations. SkyTrain has two elevated tracks and Monorail only has one and the beams are thiner as only half the the train actually uses the flat track while a the other half only glides along the side of the track.

 

[rbt]

^ I was talking about the elevated stations. SkyTrain has two elevated tracks and Monorail only has one and the beams are thiner as only half the the train actually uses the flat track while a the other half only glides along the side of the track.

Hrm.. You said:

Elevated LRT is a complete waste of money. It requires concrete tracks like a SkyTrain and unlike Sub/Sky/Mon they cannot have automated operations which saves a lot of money over the long term.

This can be reduced to "Elevated LRT .... cannot have automated operations".

I don't understand this statement. What does the track system have to do with automated operations or not? How is the signaling system limited in any way by the track type used?

 

[GenerationW]

100 attention passenger jokes, and 101 of them were bad.

 

[adma]

Boy, I hate these Valery Fabrikant-type obsessives on web message boards