Metrolinx: Presto Fare Card

[T3G]

Don't forget you can continue to travel on TTC after your 2-hour window expires, you just can't tap anywhere.

How does this work from a fare inspection perspective? If you, theoretically, remained on the TTC for 5 hours after your initial tap, how can the fare inspector tell if the tap he sees is legitimate, or if that was only for your first trip of the day and the rest of the time you've been evading your fare? Given how many of these low ranking "officials" love to appoint themselves judge, jury, and executioner, I would not be shocked if the fare inspector declared you to be a fare evader.

 

[rbt]

How does this work from a fare inspection perspective? If you, theoretically, remained on the TTC for 5 hours after your initial tap, how can the fare inspector tell if the tap he sees is legitimate, or if that was only for your first trip of the day and the rest of the time you've been evading your fare? Given how many of these low ranking "officials" love to appoint themselves judge, jury, and executioner, I would not be shocked if the fare inspector declared you to be a fare evader.

"If you are on a vehicle or enter a station with a few minutes remaining on your transfer, you can continue to complete your journey and do not need to tap if the transfer expires while you are on that vehicle. For example, if you tap on a streetcar 1 hour and 55 minutes after your first tap, and you are still on the same streetcar 20 minutes later, your transfer is still valid. When TTC fare inspectors query your PRESTO card, they will be able to see that your transfer is still valid."

Two-hour transfer

www.ttc.ca

EDIT: I rarely use TTC these days so I don't know what would happen in practice, but the published rules seem pretty simple: Tap where you're supposed to tap and if the fare was valid at that time then it counts.

 

[T3G]

"If you are on a vehicle or enter a station with a few minutes remaining on your transfer, you can continue to complete your journey and do not need to tap if the transfer expires while you are on that vehicle. For example, if you tap on a streetcar 1 hour and 55 minutes after your first tap, and you are still on the same streetcar 20 minutes later, your transfer is still valid. When TTC fare inspectors query your PRESTO card, they will be able to see that your transfer is still valid."

Two-hour transfer

www.ttc.ca

EDIT: I rarely use TTC these days so I don't know what would happen in practice, but the published rules seem pretty simple: Tap where you're supposed to tap and if the fare was valid at that time then it counts.

In that example, though, the person has tapped again 1 hr 55 minutes after their initial tap, so if the inspector were to see that, he could conclude that it is reasonable for that person to still be on the TTC.

In my example though I'm wondering what would happen if you only tapped the one time. There's quite a few trips you could make through surface transit that connects subway stations to subway stations, and in this way you could be on the system indefinitely without having to tap a second time. I have doubts that a fare inspector would be so charitable, since it is easier to accuse people of being crooks than it is to take nuance into account.

 

[turbanplanner]

...that's 5 hours, and you'd actually have until 7:06pm to use the TTC since your GO transfer becomes your TTC transfer:

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I’m aware you’d have to wait and that makes it really impractical, but if you notice it doesn’t say free transfer it just said the fare is zero dollars for the last TTC tap

 

[LNahid2000]

I’m aware you’d have to wait and that makes it really impractical, but if you notice it doesn’t say free transfer it just said the fare is zero dollars for the last TTC tap

Ok? My point was that your GO transfer window becomes your TTC transfer window if you tap onto TTC after GO. It does not ever extend past the GO transfer window. GO even states this on their website.

GO Transit’s Local Transit Partners

We know there’s more to your journey than your trip with GO Transit.

www.gotransit.com

 

[turbanplanner]

I’m

Ok? My point was that your GO transfer window becomes your TTC transfer window if you tap onto TTC after GO. It does not ever extend past the GO transfer window. GO even states this on their website.

GO Transit’s Local Transit Partners

We know there’s more to your journey than your trip with GO Transit.

www.gotransit.com

I don't think so, for your initial TTC tap after go yes, but I think going on the TTC first resets this.

I don't think my 2nd TTC tap on the bus said 7:06pm (3 hours after go) I think it said 7:04pm but I might try again this week

 

[rbt]

In that example, though, the person has tapped again 1 hr 55 minutes after their initial tap, so if the inspector were to see that, he could conclude that it is reasonable for that person to still be on the TTC.

In my example though I'm wondering what would happen if you only tapped the one time. There's quite a few trips you could make through surface transit that connects subway stations to subway stations, and in this way you could be on the system indefinitely without having to tap a second time. I have doubts that a fare inspector would be so charitable, since it is easier to accuse people of being crooks than it is to take nuance into account.

Oh, I see. So they tap into a station and 4 hours later they're still hanging around in the system somewhere through no fault of the TTC (no service delays, etc.). Rather than a fare issue, they're more likely to run afoul of the Bylaw 1 anti-loitering section and has a fine of $195 (same fine as an unpaid fare).

TTC requires people to make way to their destination in a more-or-less direct manner without purposeful delays. You choose a fairly direct route, board the first available bus on that route, etc.

I've often wondered how the fair-paid area retail meshes with the wording of the anti-loitering bylaw; because by definition buying a pastry at Eglinton is NOT making your way to the first available train.

 

[LNahid2000]

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I don't think so, for your initial TTC tap after go yes, but I think going on the TTC first resets this.

I don't think my 2nd TTC tap on the bus said 7:06pm (3 hours after go) I think it said 7:04pm but I might try again this week

We're going in circles, but I literally do this every week and it's always 3 hours after GO. Here's another example where I barely made the cutoff.

 

[turbanplanner]

We're going in circles, but I literally do this every week and it's always 3 hours after GO. Here's another example where I barely made the cutoff.

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I see what you’re saying, try taking the TTC first, then to go then the TTC again

 

[turbanplanner]

Oh, I see. So they tap into a station and 4 hours later they're still hanging around in the system somewhere through no fault of the TTC (no service delays, etc.). Rather than a fare issue, they're more likely to run afoul of the Bylaw 1 anti-loitering section and has a fine of $195 (same fine as an unpaid fare).

TTC requires people to make way to their destination in a more-or-less direct manner without purposeful delays. You choose a fairly direct route, board the first available bus on that route, etc.

I've often wondered how the fair-paid area retail meshes with the wording of the anti-loitering bylaw; because by definition buying a pastry at Eglinton is NOT making your way to the first available train.

It’s like those intersections that start with a red flashing hand while at the same time it’s illegal to start crossing in that situation

 

[LNahid2000]

I see what you’re saying, try taking the TTC first, then to go then the TTC again

That's what I did, hence the charge only being 40 cents for GO. Taking the TTC first gives you 2 hours and taking GO gives you 3 hours giving you a maximum of 5 hours, not 7.

 

[turbanplanner]

your very first tap is 12:42 and on the go, not on the ttc? I'm saying if you had an earlier ttc tap

That's what I did, hence the charge only being 40 cents for GO. Taking the TTC first gives you 2 hours and taking GO gives you 3 hours giving you a maximum of 5 hours, not 7.

 

[LNahid2000]

your very first tap is 12:42 and on the go, not on the ttc? I'm saying if you had an earlier ttc tap

If my very first tap was on GO, I'd be charged $3.70. I had an earlier TTC tap.

 

[turbanplanner]

I've confirmed as published you have to tap onto go within 2 hours of a TTC to get a the fare reimbursed when transferring to GO,

**NOT PUBLISHED**
if you tap onto the ttc again after your GO trip, the second TTC trip is free until 3 hours after the initial Go tap.

Not captured in these photos but If you do it in reverse (Tap onto go first, you have a 3 hour TTC transfer from that tap as well) Ex, tap on at Danforth at 1pm then tapping onto the subway at 1:20pm your ttc transfer is valid until 4pm

TRIP 1 TTC tap on at 6:03 pm (charged $3.30)
TRIP 2 Go tap on 6:39) Go transfer valid until 9:39PM

TRIP 3 Tapped on the TTC (AGAIN) at 8:52PM
Charged $0 (did not say free transfer like it does during the 2 hour transfer window)

 

[Arvalan]

I don't think there is a thread for micro-mobility in the GTA, so those who might not know, Markham is planning to have a scooter share system (Scooty) pilot sometime in September. An interesting part is that it has plans for integration with Presto!