TransitBart
Senior Member
** shakes head**
What the hell is this discussion about again?
What the hell is this discussion about again?
Preto cards I think.** shakes head**
What the hell is this discussion about again?
https://www.prestocard.ca/en/privacy[...]
Personal Information
Personal information that may be collected by PRESTO in connection with your use of the PRESTO Card is recorded information that identifies individuals and may include:
In connection with the PRESTO Services to be provided, personal information may be collected by PRESTO from you. As well, PRESTO may collect information about you through your use of the PRESTO Card.
- information relating to financial transactions in which you have been involved or will be involved with PRESTO, including your credit card number and your bank account information;
- any identifying number, symbol or other particular identifier assigned to you by PRESTO;
- your address or telephone number;
- correspondence sent to PRESTO by you that is implicitly or explicitly of a private or confidential nature, and replies to that correspondence that would reveal the contents of the original correspondence; and/or
- your name where it appears with other personal information relating to you or where the disclosure of your name would reveal other personal information about you.
PRESTO limits the amount and type of personal information collected from you to only the personal information that is required for the purposes outlined below, or the purposes identified to you when PRESTO requests your personal information. PRESTO will not use your personal information for any other purpose without first obtaining your consent.
PRESTO’s primary purpose for collecting your personal information is to provide the services and/or products requested by you. In addition, you agree that your personal information may be used, among other things, to:
- open and set-up your PRESTO Account;
- verify your identity and/or your eligibility for certain PRESTO Services;
- mail to you your PRESTO Card and other such items or communications;
- operate the PRESTO Services effectively;
- administer loyalty programs associated with the use of the PRESTO Services;
- protect you and PRESTO from error and fraud
- better understand your needs and eligibility for products and services offered by PRESTO or the Service Providers;
- communicate to you those products and services that may be of interest to you;
- improve the products and/or services offered to you; and
- comply with legal and regulatory requirements.
In accordance with FIPPA, the collection of your personal information by PRESTO is limited to that which is necessary for the purposes identified herein. All personal information is collected by PRESTO in a fair and lawful manner.
Limiting Use, Disclosure
PRESTO shall only use or disclose your personal information in accordance with FIPPA. PRESTO will not, without your consent, sell or trade to, or share with any third party, your personal information for purposes other than those for which it was collected or for a purpose consistent with such purposes. However, you agree that PRESTO may disclose your personal information to third parties without your further consent in circumstances where: a. PRESTO has received your previous consent to such disclosure, including for the purposes set out in this Privacy Policy; b. disclosure to a third party is necessary in order to provide services to you; c. it is required or permitted by law or pursuant to a court order; d. PRESTO sells or transfers its business to a third party or restructures; or e. disclosure is reasonably required to a bona fide third party potential investor of PRESTO;
https://stevemunro.ca/2016/12/27/ttc-presto-update-december-2016/[...]For a few classes of rider, the TTC proposes that a “Photo ID” be available. This would not be a separate card as in the early days of the Metropass, but a photo integrated into the user’s Presto card and account. The exact mechanism for loading this photo have yet to be determined. Also, it is not yet certain that photos will be required for seniors because, unlike children and students, their eligibility never expires, and linking the card to the rider for fraud prevention is less of an issue. One side effect the TTC did not mention is that a return to photo ID makes the card non-transferable, and this would produce limitations on its use that do not exist with current media.[...]
"An Act to permit the issuance of photo cards to residents of Ontario." As written! Whether the intent was otherwise is open to legal argument.
Even if the rules, regs and legislation are altered to allow that (it might eventually come to that) then what about this?Some states (Delaware, California, etc.) are experimenting with digital driver's license, which includes the photo id, bar codes, etc.. See link.
When the PRESTO ever goes digital into your smartphone, you could have the very same information requirements, such as photo ID.
Yes, there is nothing to discuss and if you stop responding to ill-informed comments the discussion may actually stop. (Don't feed the trolls and all that!)Always read the definitions in Section 1. A "photo card" is defined in section 1 to be a "basic photo card, enhanced photo card or combined photo card". Each of these are also defined in Section 1. They are cards "issued under this Act". Any reference to a "photo card" in the Act is referring to one of these 3 that are "issued under this Act". Since a Presto card is not "issued under this Act" this Act is not relevant to the issue of a Presto card.
There is no legal argument here to discuss. The Act is very clear.
I've posted the definitions prior. Whether this Act had intents as you state it matters not. The law is as written, albeit a court could interpret parts as vague, misleading and non-applicable.Always read the definitions in Section 1. A "photo card" is defined in section 1 to be a "basic photo card, enhanced photo card or combined photo card". Each of these are also defined in Section 1. They are cards "issued under this Act". Any reference to a "photo card" in the Act is referring to one of these 3 that are "issued under this Act". Since a Presto card is not "issued under this Act" this Act is not relevant to the issue of a Presto card.
There is no legal argument here to discuss. The Act is very clear.
The TTC claims the plan isn't to use a photo on the card, but to encode it, but that also falls foul of the terms and use of Presto: (The TTC, for the purpose of this notice, is a *third party*)
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Addendum: FIPPA is:
Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act, R.S.O. 1990, c. F.31
https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90f31
"If you don't want your photo taken you can pay with a Presto card." The whole point revolves around the TTC proposing the requirement of a Photo Presto ID Card.To be clear it is your right to refuse to give any information to Presto/TTC. No one is questioning that. However, the TTC will give you a discount if you meet certain criteria AND you are willing to have you photo used as part of this process.
If you don't want your photo taken you can pay with a Presto card. you can also not link your card to any credit card or email account if you are worried about privacy.
This meets the criteria under the FIPPA. If you don't want your photo taken pay the full fare.
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tr...1/ttc-to-require-presto-cards-from-age-6.html[...]
Since March 2015, children 12 and younger have been able to ride without paying. The program has been successful in increasing ridership among youngsters; the TTC expects to rack up 20 million rides by passengers under 13 this year, up from 12 million last year.
But it's difficult to verify who is eligible because under existing rules, passengers 15 and younger don't need IDs. TTC staff believe many high school students have been posing as 12-year-olds to get a free ride, and assert that requiring 10-to 12-year-olds to have photo IDs would help weed out fare cheats.
Children 6 to 9 will have to have Presto cards because the TTC plans to phase out all tokens, tickets and passes by the end of 2017 and implement Presto instead. Fare collectors at subway stations will be replaced with automatic fare gates that only a Presto card will open, no matter the passenger’s age.
The commission assumes kids under 6 are small enough to go through the fare gates with an adult.
Councillor Joe Mihevc (Ward 21, St. Paul’s), who sits on the board, called the new fare measures “reasonable.”
“There has been frankly too many teenagers taking advantage of this system. Some controls are necessary,” he said. He added that requiring younger kids to have Presto cards is “good training for them.”
TTC chair Josh Colle (Ward 15, Eglinton-Lawrence), who has three sons under 13, admitted kids might be prone lose the cards, but said that since it’s unlikely they would be travelling alone, a parent could hold onto the passes for them. “I know I would,” he said.
Colle added that he’s hoping for more clarity on how the photo IDs will be distributed to young riders, because he wants to avoid “a bureaucratic mess.” TTC staff say the cards would be distributed through schools. They estimate passengers would be charged a fee of $5 to $7 for the photo ID, which would appear on their Presto cards. The fare cards themselves cost $6. [...]
It may have been one issued by UPX, or a test for one. They discuss that indirectly in this report:To change the topic;
Riding the UP today I saw a woman who had a Presto Card that had the TO skyline on it in the UP art style. Is this new? Are there other Presto Card designs?
To change the topic;
Riding the UP today I saw a woman who had a Presto Card that had the TO skyline on it in the UP art style. Is this new? Are there other Presto Card designs?
I wonder if it would make sense for Metrolinx to offer multiple designs. I remember a similar discussion occuring on the Metro Vancouver Transit Forum. It was suggested that they sell cards with some special design like an orca etc. And charge a premium. A good way to make a little extra money off of tourists, (or at least half of the people on this forum)