Kyle Campbell
Active Member
They haven't demo'd the metrolinx prototype yet, so who knows. In this case it's a different configuration from GRT's flexities.
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Metrolinx: Bombardier Flexity Freedom & Alstom Citadis Spirit LRVs
- Thread starter W. K. Lis
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Coolstar
Senior Member
I guess we'll see during doors open next week
Coolstar
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Kyle Campbell
Active Member
The one thing Flexities definitely have over the Citadis is wider gangways
Kyle Campbell
Active Member
One thing I wonder though is if Bombardier offered a "long module" Flexity to Metrolinx similar to how the Citadis variants here are configured in Ontario. The long module Flexity Swift pictured below is for the Porto metro in Portugal. It seems like wasted space to have so many bends on the train. Unlike the TTC streetcars, or even Ion, the crosstown doesn't have sharp 90 degree turns, and they could have sacrifices turning radius for more passenger comfort.
I'm wondering if it's just that these manufacturers just aren't offering as much customization for the North American market, given how much smaller it is in terms of orders and they fact they are NA specific designs
I'm wondering if it's just that these manufacturers just aren't offering as much customization for the North American market, given how much smaller it is in terms of orders and they fact they are NA specific designs
Allandale25
Senior Member
^ I wonder if part of the reason for the bendy part is due to the original route. There would have been turns at Kennedy and along the RT route.
rbt
Senior Member
Most likely yard related.
Steve X
Senior Member
Kitchener owns their own vehicles not ML. Similarly Ottawa owns their own too. They just piggybacked it off the ML order.
Queen's Park just wanted to control GTAH transit projects.
robmausser
Senior Member
One thing I wonder though is if Bombardier offered a "long module" Flexity to Metrolinx similar to how the Citadis variants here are configured in Ontario. The long module Flexity Swift pictured below is for the Porto metro in Portugal. It seems like wasted space to have so many bends on the train. Unlike the TTC streetcars, or even Ion, the crosstown doesn't have sharp 90 degree turns, and they could have sacrifices turning radius for more passenger comfort.
I'm wondering if it's just that these manufacturers just aren't offering as much customization for the North American market, given how much smaller it is in terms of orders and they fact they are NA specific designs
They offered the 7 module variant that Edmonton is getting
But Metrolinx went with 2, 5 modules instead. 1, 7 module wasnt enough and 2, 7 modules was too much for opening.
Kyle Campbell
Active Member
They offered the 7 module variant that Edmonton is getting
But Metrolinx went with 2, 5 modules instead. 1, 7 module wasnt enough and 2, 7 modules was too much for opening.
I'm not talking about the length of the train, but the length of the modules that make up the train. The same 5 "short" module train can be made up by 2 long and 1 short module, as is common elsewhere in North America with Siemens S70s or Seattle's Japanese trains. Bombardier does offer such a config in Europe. Likewise given Ottawa's usage Alstom used long modules for it's train, yet you can compose a Citadis train with short modules as well.
smallspy
Senior Member
They did no such thing. When the TTC wrote the specifications for the tender so many years ago, they spec'd a 100 (approximate) foot long car. They were not interested in a longer car.
Dan
nfitz
Superstar
True - but how do we know Bombardier didn't offer Metrolinx a longer version during the negotiations for either the 182-car option or the later reduction of that order to 74(?) cars?
Steve X
Senior Member
They got to fit in the MSF and line up on platforms. A longer version is just out of the question
Kyle Campbell
Active Member
The platforms could easily fit two 7 module trains. Such concerns also didn't stop Metrolinx from buying the much longer Citadis spec'd identically to Ottawa though I assume they chose to copy Ottawa's design except for paint job for speed of delivery, rather than because they put much thought in how to spec it out. They could have chosen a shorter Citadis layout, but since everything was geared up to build Ottawa's version at the Hornell NY factory it would have greatly extended the delivery time.
Steve X
Senior Member
For Eglinton, they'll be forced to run more capacity than they wanted with two 7-module LRVs. On Finch West, they will be forced to operate on a headway that is 50% wider with Alstom LRVs. I wouldn't be surprised if they operated single LRVs on weekends and late night for the first few years.
Finch West MSF is probably modified with a different layout to fit them. Of course we'll never heard how much it cost to redesign the MSF as ML is super non transparent with their finances.