News   Nov 27, 2024
 30     0 
News   Nov 27, 2024
 574     0 
News   Nov 27, 2024
 498     0 

Jennifer Keesmaat's Toronto

Her office is responsible for the subway compromise which is the one stop subway.

If you'd like to argue that further, please be my guest - it's even in the article you posted:

The push to build a subway in Scarborough was one of the most controversial projects advanced under Keesmaat’s tenure at city hall, one that has complicated her legacy as a progressive city-builder. A compromise plan she later moved under Mayor John Tory today continues to unravel.
 
Her office is responsible for the subway compromise which is the one stop subway.

If you'd like to argue that further, please be my guest - it's even in the article you posted:

The push to build a subway in Scarborough was one of the most controversial projects advanced under Keesmaat’s tenure at city hall, one that has complicated her legacy as a progressive city-builder. A compromise plan she later moved under Mayor John Tory today continues to unravel.
I see. So you think Keesmaat was telling Tory what to do. Then what wimps Tory and Council are, and what an amazingly strong woman Keesmaat is. I guess the mayoralty contest is going to be an easy one then. I hope little Johnny doesn't cry. Here's the rest of the TorStar article:
[...]
On July 2, Keesmaat emailed her superiors, then city manager Joe Pennachetti and deputy city manager John Livey.

She noted media reports that said TTC CEO Andy Byford was meeting Metrolinx officials to review the costs for proceeding with the subway following De Baeremaeker’s motion.

But Keesmaat was not convinced the subway should be built at all.

“As we have discussed, there are different opinions as to the validity/relevance of these motions,” Keesmaat wrote, referring to the re-opening of the debate.

“I am well aware of the issues,” Pennachetti responded, promising to convene a meeting of staff that day.

The next day, Keesmaat forwarded a proposed outline for the council report to Livey.

“This is the outline we are working with,” she wrote.

Importantly, the outline included an example of what the planning department believed should be recommended: “For the reasons presented, subway is not the preferred technology to meet the future planning and transportation vision for this part of the city.”

Several days later, Pennachetti asked a senior group of staff for further refinements to the draft report.

Keesmaat responded to that request to make a point: “The subway option DOES NOT make the list of (ten) priority projects when compared with other projects across the city.”

It was followed by a warning.

“The quickness of the turn around has meant that we are struggling with a rationale, fair means of assessment,” Keesmaat wrote.

Two days later, Keesmaat sent Byford an email with the subject line “LRT/Subway – URGENT.”

“It is my understanding that your support of a subway for Scarborough is based on the projected increase in ridership,” she began. “I would like a more fulsome understanding of (how) you attained this number.”

“I have not forecast more riders,” Byford responded. “We didn’t reopen this debate so (it’s) up to councillors to say if funds are available.”

The emails reference a ridership number that would soon appear in the final version of the July report.

Though earlier analysis estimated the number of subway rush-hour riders by 2031 would be 9,500. That number had suddenly grown to 14,000.

That number was rarely discussed in any emailed conversations obtained by the Star before that report was tabled.

But the increase came as a surprise to Keesmaat. She was unaware it had apparently come from her own planning department, not the TTC, as the final report would later state.

Keesmaat declined to comment for this story. When asked previously about this exchange, the chief planner admitted the analysis leading up to the July vote was both “rushed” and “problematic”.

Reached by the Star, Pennachetti said he was relying on Keesmaat, Byford and their teams to come up with the recommendations in the report. As for the ridership number, he said: “I don’t have an explanation for that number because it was a transportation planning key issue to determine.”

By July 9, staff had a working draft of their report to council. A copy obtained by the Star shows that language warning against the perils of a switch to a subway was toned done significantly in the final report.

For example, a line that said: “At present, there is insufficient information available at this early stage on the net cost of maintaining and operating a proposed extension of the Bloor-Danforth subway” was removed entirely.

There were also several additions to the final report.

An entire section on ridership projections, focusing on the 14,000 figure, was added.

Importantly, this line was included in summary: “TTC staff have identified that either an LRT or subway can effectively serve the Scarborough RT transit corridor. Each technology option offers distinct advantages.”

On July 10, Keesmaat emailed Pennachetti with the subject “Subway vs LRT” to offer more evidence of the LRT’s benefits.

“Are you aware that the LRT travels through 3 priority neighbourhoods and the subway travels through one?”

“Are you aware that this will double the city’s debt — the cost is 3 billion?”

Pennachetti appears to not have responded by email.

The next day, Keesmaat emailed Councillor Josh Matlow’s senior policy adviser, Andrew Athanasiu, who had asked for information to support an opinion piece he was drafting to send to the Star. Matlow had been strongly opposed to the push for a subway from the beginning.

Keesmaat told him they were still working on the report to council, due the next day, and that it had been a “significant negotiation around the table.” She wanted to know what kind of material he needed.

Athanasiu responded that the piece had already been submitted. “That’s fine,” he said. “There’s an embarrassment of riches as to why this is a bad idea.”

“It is an embarrassment of riches,” Keesmaat replied. “It is a significant overbuilding of the needed infrastructure.”

She also noted the cost for a subway, as spelled out in the report, would be “mind boggling” — much higher than anticipated.

“Has this changed Joe P’s mind at all?” Athanasiu asked, inquiring about the city manager.

Keesmaat didn’t answer that question in her subsequent email.

Emails also show that in July staff were monitoring Keesmaat’s tweets and printing them out for her superior, Livey, to see.

In an email this week, Livey said: “Since I did not access Twitter regularly, I asked staff to print them for me. Staff regularly receive media and social media updates/clippings from strategic communications to help better inform us of the coverage on topics of high interest to the public.”

When the report was finalized, the recommendations were not at all what Keesmaat had earlier envisioned.

Instead, it gave council a choice, presenting the subway and the LRT as potential equals, with some caveats. In doing so, staff told council to choose instead of making a firm recommendation as the original outline had done.

The 45-member council convened on July 16 to discuss the report and make a choice.

It wasn’t even close. Council voted instead to build a subway, 28-16 (one councillor was absent).

The subway was again confirmed in a subsequent vote in October, which approved a tax increase to help cover the more than billion-dollar increase in costs. In the years that followed, Keesmaat worked to create a compromise that Mayor John Tory, who campaigned on building the subway, and his allies could support.

It involved reducing the number of stops from three to one and pitching that the savings could be used to build an extension of the Eglinton Crosstown LRT to the University of Toronto’s Scarborough campus.

In presenting the idea she argued an “express” subway — a favoured term of Tory’s — could be beneficial in the context of a network plan.

But since that plan was unveiled, mounting costs related to the subway have meant the funds already set aside may not even cover the cost of the subway, let alone the LRT.

And a recently published study on the subway estimates that in 2055, trains will still be two-thirds empty at rush hour — which would mean steep costs for the city to operate it.

Announcing she’ll decamp from her post at the end of September this year, Keesmaat will be long gone before any of it is hashed out at council and construction green-lighted.

At that July debate, Matlow, fighting to keep the LRT plan in place, asked Keesmaat to address the bigger question directly, out in the open. Which would be better for the city?

Keesmaat, on her feet in the cavernous council chamber, tried to make it clear.

“Based on the criteria that we have for great city-building, looking at economic development, supporting healthy neighbourhoods, affordability, choice in the system, the LRT option is, in fact, more desirable.”

“I just want to make sure that my colleagues heard that,” Matlow said as his time to question ran out. “So, you’re saying that all of the evidence-based criteria that you’re using, the LRT for this specific route is the preferred option for Scarborough and Toronto.”

“That’s correct,” Keesmaat said.
https://www.thestar.com/news/city_h...aat-tried-to-stop-the-scarborough-subway.html
 
I see. So you think Keesmaat was telling Tory what to do. Then what wimps Tory and Council are, and what an amazingly strong woman Keesmaat is. I guess the mayoralty contest is going to be an easy one then. I hope little Johnny doesn't cry.

For someone who implemented these bad council decisions that she so vociferously opposes now, I find your support for her amusing.

Either way, this thread should be called Jennifer Keesmaat's Mayoral Run - as hell will freeze over/Fords will be Liberals before she wins this race.
 
For someone who implemented these bad council decisions that she so vociferously opposes now,
Are you unable to read, or just being oblique due to massively ingrained doctrine?

She didn't "implement" anything! When do you ever get it? That's done by voting in the Council chamber.

And btw, I suspected you'd keep reacting the way you are, and that allowed me to post almost the entire TorStar piece. Do you dispute the veracity of the emails?

Good to see Monty Python's Black Knight alive and well...in a hacked manner of speaking.
Keesmaat, on her feet in the cavernous council chamber, tried to make it clear.

“Based on the criteria that we have for great city-building, looking at economic development, supporting healthy neighbourhoods, affordability, choice in the system, the LRT option is, in fact, more desirable.”

“I just want to make sure that my colleagues heard that,” Matlow said as his time to question ran out. “So, you’re saying that all of the evidence-based criteria that you’re using, the LRT for this specific route is the preferred option for Scarborough and Toronto.”

“That’s correct,” Keesmaat said.
 
The push to build a subway in Scarborough was one of the most controversial projects advanced under Keesmaat’s tenure at city hall, one that has complicated her legacy as a progressive city-builder. A compromise plan she later moved under Mayor John Tory today continues to unravel.
 
Her office is responsible for the subway compromise which is the one stop subway.

If you'd like to argue that further, please be my guest - it's even in the article you posted:

The push to build a subway in Scarborough was one of the most controversial projects advanced under Keesmaat’s tenure at city hall, one that has complicated her legacy as a progressive city-builder. A compromise plan she later moved under Mayor John Tory today continues to unravel.
When Toronto was looking for a real compromise that's better than the LRT, she came up with the 1 stop subway.
from the Lorinc piece.
“trying to make it known to anyone who would listen that a seven-stop light-rail line the province had already agreed to pay for, and the city had already approved, was still the better option.”
I had always hoped that someone at the City would realize that a continuous grade-separated connection was required - and it was just the ignorance of the Councillors that were focused on LRT vs. subway. It turns out she had no ability to think for herself and find a good compromise.
 
It's well kown that JK fought against the subway plan. And also true that when it became apparent that the subway was a done deal, she came up with the current comprise that included the extension of the Eglinton LRT east. Given how important compromise is in politics I don't see any of this as a strike against her.

I also am pretty sure the King street pilot would not have happened without her.

Given the nature of Toronto politics I don't expect any Mayor's tenure to be free from questionable decisions. What we can expect from JK is more evidence-based decisionmaking, and fewer uncomfortable alliances with people like mammoliti.

I'm voting for Keesmaat 100%.
 
Last edited:
I will vote for her too but when she becomes mayor, don't be shy to call her out whenever she is wrong. The Mayor David Miller thread was such a joke on this site. It was nothing but "kiss ass city" (lol)
Agreed. To be objective, she's narcissistic, unforgiving, power-hungry, and downright sexy....(try and stay on topic...) but isn't that exactly what you want in a leader?

Far better to be calling out someone who's hell-bent on change for the right reasons and uber equipped to affect it than some shiny brown shoe toady who's an expert at waving white flags.

What's beyond bizarre is certain established and known well-right-of-centre posters flaming her because she's too powerful! lol! Who could have thought that her high heels allowed her to climb all over brown-shoe-toady-man and make him do things because 'it was all her doing'.

Evil Woman! Now here's someone who will sell Toronto for all the right reasons in the Int'l Press. RoFo memory erased and value added...big time!
 
I will vote for her too but when she becomes mayor, don't be shy to call her out whenever she is wrong. The Mayor David Miller thread was such a joke on this site. It was nothing but "kiss ass city" (lol)

Given what we've seen since, it probably shouldn't be any surprise in hindsight.
 
I think for all her faults, Keesmaat would actually make a great mayor. I also doubt she will win though.

She also has plenty of ideas that won't really work in practice though, such as the 100,000 units of affordable housing.

On balance though, she would be far better an option and will ultimately receive my vote.
 
*nods approvingly in appreciation of the burn*

This is going to be interesting.

Is there a video feed of the campaign launch?
 

Back
Top