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Israel Kills 4 UN Observers, including Canadian

...and feels like its been going on forever.

Large numbers of Hezbollah will be killed (along with so many other people). Later, angry supporters will join the fight, along with those who sympathise or who are angry at the destruction, or for any of a number of other reasons. Other individuals who feel there is no other recourse for the region will also take up arms. They will purchase arms from the huge ineternational arms market with money from supporters and sympathisers.

And the whole thing will pretty much repeat itself.
 
Bloody night in Beirut as Israel intensifies aerial bombardment

IDF warns UN troops will be attacked if they repair bridges

Clancy Chassay in Beirut, Conal Urquhart in Metulla and Jonathan Steele in Tyre
Tuesday August 8, 2006
The Guardian

Israel inflicted one of its deadliest attacks on Beirut last night when an air strike on a southern district killed at least 15 people, just hours after the departure of a delegation from the Arab League.
At least 30 were injured in the strike, which capped another day of violence in Lebanon in which more than 50 people died, including three Israeli soldiers.

As night fell, Israel declared a curfew in southern Lebanon, warning that all vehicles apart from humanitarian traffic would be at risk. Ground forces continued to run into fierce resistance in southern Lebanon. Hizbullah militants fired more than 100 rockets into northern Israel, wounding at least one.

But the Beirut attack was the day's bloodiest episode. Last night, local residents and rescue workers scrambled through the rubble and debris in the dark as the insides of an eight-storey building spilled out into a narrow street. Water from a burst pipe in a building opposite sprayed out a fine mist across the wreckage. Neighbouring residents, now stuck in teetering buildings, peered out of the back half of their sitting rooms as splintered furniture dangled out on the street below. A women in her nightdress on the sixth floor tried to retrieve something on what was left of her balcony as a chunk of her front room crashed down on to the street. An ambulance worker said he had counted 10 bodies so far. At least two were children.
Lebanese officials said there were many reports of other casualties throughout southern Lebanon but rescue workers were not able to reach the sites because of continued Israeli airstrikes. Israel also threatened to attack UN peacekeepers if they attempted to repair bomb-damaged bridges in southern Lebanon. UN officials contacted the Israeli army to inform them that a team of Chinese military engineers attached to the UN force in Lebanon intended to repair the bridge on the Beirut to Tyre road to enable the transport of humanitarian supplies.

According to the UN, Israeli officials said the engineers would become a target if they attempted to repair the bridge.

Senior UN officials reacted angrily to the destruction of a temporary causeway over the Litani river overnight. "We must be able to have movement throughout the country to deliver supplies. At this point we can't do that," said David Shearer, the humanitarian coordinator for Lebanon. "The deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure is a violation of international law."

International aid groups have blamed Israel for not providing security guarantees, thereby paralysing the delivery of aid to the south. Even when aid reaches Tyre, convoys have to apply on a case by case basis for permission to take it out to the villages. Most applications are refused.

A convoy run from Beirut to Tyre by Médecins sans Frontières yesterday was forced to stop at the ruins of the causeway. Boxes of medicine were carried over a footbridge by hand and loaded up into separate vehicles on the other side.

Car passengers had to do the same, driving to the footbridge and waiting for transport on the other side.

Israel's army warned residents in southern Lebanon to remain indoors after 10pm yesterday and said anyone moving after that would be at risk. "Anyone who does travel is taking a high risk. There is no end period," an Israeli military source said. "This will allow us to track anyone potentially trying to launch rockets."

The source said the restriction on movement applied anywhere south of the Litani river, which is roughly 13 miles from Israel's northern border. He did not specify how the warning had been delivered.

Israel also said it shot down a Hizbullah drone."We located it over Lebanon and tracked it over the Mediterranean where we shot it down. Naval vessels picked up the debris for investigation," an Israeli military spokesman said. The Israeli army said it could not immediately say if it was carrying explosives.

Tyre was rocked yesterday by fresh Israeli airstrikes. Four buildings on the northern outskirts were crushed in pinpoint strikes which left adjacent buildings standing. The four destroyed buildings included the flat where the Israeli commandos had killed the two alleged Hizbullah leaders on Saturday.
 
If you want a lunatic on TV -- talk to Galloway.

This guy is not only left, he is a lunatic.

I have not seen anyone on this board who would come close to this person. :rollin
 
Re: If you want a lunatic on TV -- talk to Galloway.

This guy's a riot... the same guy who said that assassinating Blair would be justifiable. He may be extreme and unstable but I don't think he's a lunatic. I couldn't find much in his tirade that I disagree with actually.
 
Re: If you want a lunatic on TV -- talk to Galloway.

Do you believe that the loss of the Soviet Union was a great loss?
 
Re: If you want a lunatic on TV -- talk to Galloway.

I saw Galloway speak at U of T last September and found little to disagree with in his speech that day. He may be speaking from a position planted firmly on the left, but he's no lunatic. The only lunatic-like thing he's done is gone on "Big Brother U.K." :\
 
Re: If you want a lunatic on TV -- talk to Galloway.

His ranting and insults are merely to distract from the fact that he's arguing from an untenable position. I cringe when I see an individual debase a debate like this.
 
Interesting analysis

A very interesting analysis from Gwynne Dyer (a very respected military analyst), in tomorrow's NOW:

Fork in the road
Will Israel's humiliation be a blessing in disguise or the start of an amped-up war?
By GWYNNE DYER

The ceasefire in Southern Lebanon will not hold. Israel will probably lose more soldiers in combat in the next month than in the past month (104). Ehud Olmert will probably no longer be prime minister of Israel by the end of this year. And it is all too likely that Binyamin Netanyahu will take his place.

The UN-sponsored ceasefire will not hold because Hezbollah has not been defeated. Despite a month of pounding by Israeli bombs and artillery, it still holds at least 80 per cent of the territory south of the Litani River: in most places, Israeli forces have advanced no more than a few kilometres from the frontier.

In the last few days before the ceasefire, Hezbollah was launching twice as many rockets into northern Israel as its daily average in the first week of the war.

So why would it now agree to be disarmed and removed from all of southern Lebanon, the home of its own Shia supporters? Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah's leader, was quite frank: "As long as there is Israeli military movement, Israeli field aggression and Israeli soldiers occupying our land... it is our natural right to confront them, fight them and defend our land, our homes and ourselves.''

Besides, the Israelis have now offered him an irresistibly tempting target.

Israel's assault on Hezbollah was as much a "war of choice'' as the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Seymour Hersh claims in this week's New Yorker that the Bush administration approved it in order to deprive Iran (Hezbollah's ally) of a means of retaliation after U.S. air strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities.

And the San Francisco Chronicle reports that a senior Israeli army officer made PowerPoint presentations on the planned operation to selected Western audiences over a year ago.

"By 2004, the military campaign scheduled to last about three weeks that we're seeing now had already been blocked out,'' political science professor Gerald Steinberg of Bar-Ilan University told the Chronicle, "and in the last year or two it's been simulated and rehearsed across the board.''

Olmert was seduced by the plan because, lacking military experience himself, he needed the credibility that comes in Israel only from having led a successful military operation. Otherwise, he would lack support for his plan to impose unilateral borders in the occupied West Bank that would keep the major settlement blocks within Israel while handing the rest to the Palestinians.

So he seized on the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers and the killing of three others by Hezbollah on July 12, the latest in an endless string of back-and-forth attacks along the northern border, as the pretext for an all-out onslaught on the organization.

Olmert's lack of military experience also led him to trust the promises of General Dan Halutz, Israel's chief of staff, that Hezbollah's destruction could be accomplished mainly from the air, with Israeli ground troops only going in at the end to mop up. But Rule Number One for aspiring national leaders is "Never believe air force promises."

Olmert launched his war, bombed lavishly all across Lebanon, pounded the south and a month later Hezbollah still controlled almost all the territory and was launching several hundred missiles a day at Israel.

Time for a ceasefire. But if he had no more than that to show for his war, he would be out of power very fast. So after the UN resolution was passed on Friday, August 11, but before the ceasefire formally took effect Monday morning, he launched an airborne invasion that scattered packets of Israeli troops all over southern Lebanon right up to the Litani.

Israel has not smashed the Hezbollah strong points in southern Lebanon and driven its fighters out. It has deposited its own troops among them checkerboard-fashion, in some cases without any ground line of supply, in order to claim that it now controls the region.

And it is counting on the UN resolution decreeing the disarming and withdrawal of Hezbollah, and an eventual handover by Israel to the Lebanese army and foreign peacekeepers, to protect its soldiers from severe embarrassment. This is probably Olmert's last mistake.

It is hard to imagine that Hezbollah will resist the temptation to attack all the easy targets that Olmert has now given it in southern Lebanon. It is inconceivable that either the Lebanese army (itself mostly Shia) or the French and Italians (the core of the proposed peacekeeping force) will try to fight their way into southern Lebanon on Israel's behalf.

There is the potential here for Israel's first serious operational defeat since the 1948 war.

That might be a blessing in disguise for Israel if it persuaded enough Israeli voters that exclusive reliance on military force to smash and subdue their Arab neighbours is a political dead end. There is little chance of that.

The likeliest beneficiary of this mess is Israel's archetypal hard-liner, Binyamin Netanyahu, who flamboyantly quit the Likud party last year to protest former prime minister Ariel Sharon's policy of pulling out of the occupied Gaza Strip.

That split Likud and forced Sharon to launch a new party, Kadima, which now dominates the centre-right of Israeli politics and is the nucleus of Olmert's coalition government. But Kadima may not survive this disastrous war, and the heir apparent, at the head of a resurgent Likud, is Netanyahu.

The last opinion poll in Israel gave him an approval rating of 58 per cent.
 
Re: Interesting analysis

Other than killing a bunch of civilians and flattening many parts of southern Lebanon, Israel really accomplished nothing. They lost many more troops than they were expecting, pulled out of Lebanon with their tail between their legs and caused Hezbollah's popularity to increase, even among Lebanese Christians. And if that psychopath Netanyahu is elected as a result, the downward spiral will continue.
 
Re: Interesting analysis

Excellent piece from Dyer.

Also a good editorial in today's EYE about religious extremism...

In whose name?
As tolerance grows thin, rational believers should be casting the first stones.

Let's have a look at the public profile of two faiths. In the name of Christianity ("there's a higher father that I appeal to," he's said), George W. Bush has led his country into a war that has killed more than 40,000 soldiers and civilians. As governor of Texas, this follower of Jesus (a man who died in a state-sponsored execution) presided over 149 executions of criminals. He has engineered a set of tax cuts and program modifications that benefits the wealthiest of American citizens and condemns the poorest to ever-increasing squalor. And, because he has accepted Jesus as his personal saviour, Bush is against stem-cell research that would take human embryos that are slated for the trash bin and potentially use them to save lives and cure horrible diseases.

In the name of Islam, an estimated 5,000 women per year are murdered by members of their own families because they have committed an "honour crime" such as marrying a man of their own choosing or becoming the victim of rape. Followers of the Prophet Muhammad, invoking his name, slaughtered more than 3,000 innocent civilians and destroyed downtown Manhattan in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. In 1989, secular writer Salman Rushdie was condemned to death by the prominent Islamic leader Ayatollah Khomeini for putting forward a heretical view of the faith in a novel.

Taken on the evidence most easily available, it is neither bigoted nor unreasonable for a non-believer to conclude that Jesus Christ was a greedhead and a warmonger, and that Islam is a faith of murderous intolerance. But others who claim to be Christians say that Jesus believed violence is wrong, even in self-defence ("turn the other cheek," he said) and that the rich are damned while the poor are blessed. And many Muslims assert that theirs is a faith of peace and love, and that the Prophet would be horrified at the acts committed in his name.

Unfortunately, these sentiments are often relegated to the footnotes and sidebars that accompany much larger and more prominent news stories detailing the latest faith-inspired atrocity (such as the planned suicide attacks, narrowly avoided last week, by Muslims on 10 UK passenger jets). All of which would suggest a greater need for more moderate voices spoken at immoderate volumes. A suggestion to our rational religious readers: if religious tolerance is to have any further life in the Western world, you need to make it clear that these fringe elements do not speak for or represent your faith, because they are implicating you by invoking the name of your belief system.

Worse still, the fact that the radicals can portray themselves not only as members of your faith, but as the most dedicated and devoted members of your faith -- they claim that yours is a watered-down, imperfect variation -- means that, as recent cases in Toronto and London have shown, they can lure your children to be better disciples of God by abandoning your casual adherence and embracing their lunacy. "Moderate" and "fanatical" are problematic terms here (imagine the distinction between a "moderate" believer in mathematics and a "fanatical" one and you'll see the problem). The distinctions we really need are "true believer" and "hell-bound lunatic blasphemer." And it's you true believers who need to say it, because the secular humanist mainstream exists in a logical world that cannot penetrate the shell of blind faith.

No one's talking about restricting religious freedom here. Just as people are free to be racist, or to become alcoholics, or to believe that the Earth revolves around the sun, they may also believe that their god thinks every spermatozoa is sacred and that women exist for and at the pleasure of men. But we're under no obligation to embrace or encourage these beliefs, and we -- believers and non-believers alike -- should do our best to condemn and marginalize such belief systems and the actions that spring from them. And such condemnation should not only follow some atrocity or attack, but should be an everyday expression of your faith. The wisest scholars and leaders of your religion need to make it clear: literal interpretations of archaic religious law cannot be allowed to be seen as legitimate expressions of faith. You may not kill and enslave people, you must say. Not in our name.

letters@eyeweekly.com
 
Re: Interesting analysis

Great analysis -- it was my feeling that Omert's time was limited now.

The fact that neither Lebanon's army nor France seem to be taking part of the UN resolution to disarm Hezbolla seriously means that Omert will likely be gone, and I could easily see NetYahoo as the next prime minister... and you can guess what will happen then -- there will be no political interference in the waging of the war -- which means all or nothing.
 
Re: Interesting analysis

"Other than killing a bunch of civilians and flattening many parts of southern Lebanon, Israel really accomplished nothing. They lost many more troops than they were expecting, pulled out of Lebanon with their tail between their legs and caused Hezbollah's popularity to increase, even among Lebanese Christians. And if that psychopath Netanyahu is elected as a result, the downward spiral will continue."

Nice to see your objectivity.
 
Re: Interesting analysis

I've got an "On Notice" board, and I'm not afraid to use it.

I'm sure you're as "objective". Or do you not get that that's an opinion?

Interestingly, Hezbollah seems to be playing the role of the good guys in Lebanon with the relief money given out, courtesy of Iran of course. Israel did not win, and this was a gross error, notwithstanding the body count. But that's my opinion, though.
 
Re: Interesting analysis

Nice to see your objectivity.

When did I say I was providing an objective analysis? I call it as I see it, and there are plenty, including many Israelis, who also believe that Israel really screwed up and lost (link).
 

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