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Hosting a summer Olympic games

No, the problem is that its a fantasy, rather than an aspiration.
I said my piece in 2011.
 
Of course, a transit connection in some form is an issue, but several spots along GO Lines could be found, if desired, though we're likely talking about despoiling more farmland/nature, though some of this is already approved; see Seaton, north of Pickering which has railway access, though no current passenger service.
Athletes haven't moved between the villages and venues unsecured since 1972. If there was transit, it would have to be locked down for the duration. No nation wants to be the next Munich.
 
Athletes haven't moved between the villages and venues unsecured since 1972. If there was transit, it would have to be locked down for the duration. No nation wants to be the next Munich.

Interesting........didn't they have athletes take charted GO to Hamilton for Pan Am? Maybe my memory is off.
 
No, the problem is that its a fantasy, rather than an aspiration.

To be clear, aspiring to have your community, or province or country etc to have a higher standard of living or more amenities is not only fine, its essential, nothing ever gets better by accepting the status quo.

However, the better you seek needs to be logically attainable within a vaguely reasonable period of time, there should also be evidence that its a sound use of money. Preferences will vary, and that's fine, but you are often an advocate for things no less unrealistic that Sudbury getting its own NHL team (I await the thread for this idea.......now, sigh)

I know Toronto hosting a summer Olympics is not very likely. Knowing what exists is a good way to start to cut between fantasy or aspirational.

An NHL team here? If it does as well as our OHL team, we would still do better than the one in Toronto...

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The Summer Olympics are attainable by Toronto, but whether they are worthwhile to obtain is a different question.

I don't wish to visit that issue at length here, but rather, I'll note the often suggested benefits (new sports facilities, new affordable housing, new transit and sprucing up the community, along with tourism/branding benefits are all a bit questionable.

What's questionable is whether the sports facilities will be maintained (many are not in Olympic hosts cities), whether those facilities will benefit a broad swath of the community or solely elite athletes, and whether we couldn't just build the housing and the transit more cheaply, if it were built w/o the fanfare and cost of the olympics and perhaps be better sited as well.

There's also the question of whether the global exposure has a material, lasting impact on tourism.

The pros/cons are laid out quite well in this report by the Council on Foreign Relations:


That is why I started this thread asking what is needed. Although it may be nice, I have seen how hosting a games does not mean it is good. A bid seems to pop up every few years for Toronto to host it. I have thought most things exist for a summer Olympics, but, as I do not do all the sports, or have competed in all of the sports in the GTA,I do not know what exists for what. Yes, some of the reasons for me going to the GTA are competitions.

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When you read the above, I think you'd find the case isn't exactly compelling.

The one argument that carries some broader appeal, I think, is that it arguably forces a deadline on government to get certain things done. For Pan Am, the UP Express was such a project, long talked about, but promised to Pan Am organizers as ready and open for the games, it got the highest level of push from the province to 'just make it happen'.

When one can achieve a critical mass of well thought out, long needed projects and avoid needless delay.......that is tempting. Only the trade off for that is considerable added expense.

In the near-term Toronto simply has too much construction of all types already underway to handle one more mega project, on top of the current wish lists.

In the medium term, perhaps it could be revisited, but I'm not convinced that its a priority.

I'm also not sold that all the debt it entails will actually make most Torontonian/.Ontarian lives better

That is why I ask what the area would need. For instance, can the Pan Am stuff be used again for an Olympics? What transit/transportation upgrades are needed? And of course, where would the village be put? These questions help me, and other understand whether the next time a bid is made if it is worth the debt we will have to take on. If all it needs is the village and upgraded UPX,that is worth it. As apposed to if nothing is good enough to use it.

Downsview is probably the last remaining large space to build.

It is in a major transit area, so the legacy will be good.

Athletes haven't moved between the villages and venues unsecured since 1972. If there was transit, it would have to be locked down for the duration. No nation wants to be the next Munich.
So, they could build the village in the middle of nowhere? Sounds like a great way to build a planned community.
 
Interesting........didn't they have athletes take charted GO to Hamilton for Pan Am? Maybe my memory is off.
I don't know. Other events, such as Pan-am, Commonwealth, etc. likely have a different security profile than the Olympics. Depending on the security arrangements, if they were the buses were possibly escorted.

Way back in Kingston in 1976 for the sailing portion of the Montreal Olympics, we secured the athletes' village, venue and all movements between.
 
I don't know. Other events, such as Pan-am, Commonwealth, etc. likely have a different security profile than the Olympics. Depending on the security arrangements, if they were the buses were possibly escorted.

Way back in Kingston in 1976 for the sailing portion of the Montreal Olympics, we secured the athletes' village, venue and all movements between.

Hold on....whats with the 'we' there............you weren't even out of HS then, young man!
 
Again, not that I prioritize this.........but its not as limited a choice as you think.

Paris built their Olympic village about 8km from the City Centre (outside Paris, proper's limits)


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Downsview aside, you pretty much need ~40 hectares or 100 acres for the athletes village.

Any golf course that's located more than 50% on table land is an obvious choice.

Two in the City would meet that criteria, Downsview Dells and Islington.

Of course, a transit connection in some form is an issue, but several spots along GO Lines could be found, if desired, though we're likely talking about despoiling more farmland/nature, though some of this is already approved; see Seaton, north of Pickering which has railway access, though no current passenger service.

More realistically, closer to the action, much of Exhibition Place is parking, and non-heritage structures.

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Now look what you've done! Here I am trying to mostly dismiss the idea and you've gone and made me try to see how to make it work, stop that! LOL
You could build an athletes village in Downsview….or the island airport. I think the Portlands would be built out. You have existing arenas and stadiums that could be used or upgraded. Sailing in Kingston, canoeing and rowing in St Catherine’s , equestrian in Caledon, road races around Queens Park (providing they tidy the place up) , you would need a new Olympic Stadium, so plunk that where Vaughn Mills is now, build a copy of AT & T Stadium, and post Olympics, say hello to your new NFL franchise….does this help at all?
 
You could build an athletes village in Downsview….or the island airport. I think the Portlands would be built out. You have existing arenas and stadiums that could be used or upgraded. Sailing in Kingston, canoeing and rowing in St Catherine’s , equestrian in Caledon, road races around Queens Park (providing they tidy the place up) , you would need a new Olympic Stadium, so plunk that where Vaughn Mills is now, build a copy of AT & T Stadium, and post Olympics, say hello to your new NFL franchise….does this help at all?
I never thought of the actual Olympic Stadium. How large of one typically is needed? How large of one currently exists in the area?
 
Plus an Olympic-grade track and field venue, aquatic venue, cycling venue, white water venue. It goes on and on.
Whitewater in Minden Ontario, Track and Field at the Skydome, unless baseball is an Olympic sport, you have the Etobicoke Olympic pool already, there is a cycling veledrome in Milton, there are a variety of University venues in Toronto, Hamilton, Guelph, the arena in Hamilton….we have a lot of facilities that could be adopted and upgraded for an Olympic event. And much of it is connected by GO and other transit routes that exist or are building. We need a world class Olympic Village or villages for outlying events (e.g. Brock University for rowing - use, augment or add to existing student housing) I think if we inventories the sports and our venue locations in Ontario, mainly centered on the GTA, we would be surprised at the facilities we have that could be utilized.
 
Whitewater in Minden Ontario, Track and Field at the Skydome, unless baseball is an Olympic sport, you have the Etobicoke Olympic pool already, there is a cycling veledrome in Milton, there are a variety of University venues in Toronto, Hamilton, Guelph, the arena in Hamilton….we have a lot of facilities that could be adopted and upgraded for an Olympic event. And much of it is connected by GO and other transit routes that exist or are building. We need a world class Olympic Village or villages for outlying events (e.g. Brock University for rowing - use, augment or add to existing student housing) I think if we inventories the sports and our venue locations in Ontario, mainly centered on the GTA, we would be surprised at the facilities we have that could be utilized.
Typically, the main stadium (80k-100k seater) is used for events like track. Most of the venues you mention are not Olympic/global competition standard. We can propose a bid using those facilities, and the bid would be rejected by the IOC.
 

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