afransen
Senior Member
Boo freaking hoo to the union.
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GTHA Transit Fare Integration
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TheTigerMaster
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Yea. Boo hoo, union!
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Yeah, they're ridiculous. Never mind that transit workers in Brampton and Mississauga are fully unionized public workers, and so are many in Durham Region. In York Region, while operations are contracted out, they are still performed by unionized workers. ATU 113 should know this, as they represent some of them.
Transportfan
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Is the fare integration thing between Brampton Transit and TTC a stations-in-Vaughan-to-York-U (from Zum) issue or more general?
TJ O'Pootertoot
Senior Member
Yeah, the union has been a thing for a while.
I'd love for them to explain the "integrity" of several ATU-driven buses leaving passengers standing at a corner so they can wait for a bus driven by another ATU-driven bus that happens to have the right paint job.
And even they were right about the integrity of "the system," it'd be nice if someone thought about the RIDERS, who are always bottom of the pile with this stuff.
I'd love for them to explain the "integrity" of several ATU-driven buses leaving passengers standing at a corner so they can wait for a bus driven by another ATU-driven bus that happens to have the right paint job.
And even they were right about the integrity of "the system," it'd be nice if someone thought about the RIDERS, who are always bottom of the pile with this stuff.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
What a farce. They are wondering about the security of their jobs when every transit system in the country {including the TTC} are desperately short of drivers? Spare me. I think the real reason behind such a stupid stance is that the TTC Board encouraged them to take the stand to give the TTC an excuse as to why fare integration can't go forward.
ARG1
Senior Member
I doubt that? Like any union, the TTC fights against everything and anything that would be against their self interest - regardless of whether or not it's ultimately a good idea or not. They're not in the business of promoting good changes, just fighting against that even remotely negatively affects them. Want some examples? Fighting against removal of the 2nd guard on TTC trains - even though that role is unnecessary and is being phased out elsewhere in the world. Or how about fighting against any form of automated train, which is why even the Scarborough RT, where the ICTS technology is designed around having the trains be fully automated, they still managed to force the ttc to get drivers to stand there pushing the door open button.
So no, complaining about something that might reduce the job capacity is VERY MUCH in character with the Union.
afransen
Senior Member
Ultimately, why should anyone give a flying fig what the union thinks? Unions are not interested in the public good.
Coolstar
Senior Member
The TRBOT renewed it's call for fare integration recently.
Plan is pretty much the same but now the zone map includes Barrie and KW.
Also, the Minister of Transportation is planning to speak at the TRBOT's transit symposium on March 30 regarding fare integration though I don't think it'll be anything more than him touting the achievements of the 905 GO co-fare agreement for example. But we'll see.
Plan is pretty much the same but now the zone map includes Barrie and KW.
Also, the Minister of Transportation is planning to speak at the TRBOT's transit symposium on March 30 regarding fare integration though I don't think it'll be anything more than him touting the achievements of the 905 GO co-fare agreement for example. But we'll see.
Northern Light
Superstar
There are definitely rumbles that Queen's Park will do 'something' on this file in the budget. Though no chickens should be counted in advance.
However, 'some progress' may not be much progress, we shall have to see.
I will say this, QP is compatively swimming in $$$.
Absent some last minute, out-the-door money, I expect there is a very real chance the budget is in balance this year and on pace for surplus next year.
The official line from the FAO was a 2.5B deficit based on numbers through the end of December or so.
But they envisioned much slower growth than what we saw in January in particular; suggestive of higher revenues than expected.
Having extra money, of course, does not mean it will be spent on this particular thing. But I do know the Ministry costed out some options for the budget.
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afransen
Senior Member
For $150M/year to unlock so much more value from our transit investments, this seems like a no-brainer. Seems like an obvious thing for the Liberals to include in their election platform, if the PCO don't move on this front. I can see there might be some transient impacts from disrupting existing travel patterns (esp to GO) and maybe some remaining infrastructure concerns around having every operator/vehicle presto enabled.
This is in the realm of 'boutique tax credit' annual cost.
urbancog
Active Member
I'd certainly support fare integration, but it would need to be implemented in an equitable way. The TRBoT's approach is overly influenced by the current organization of local transit agencies.
The 64km journey from Union to Hamilton would cost $11.70 per journey because it crosses Mississuga, Oakville, Burlington, and Hamilton zones.
Whereas the 66km journey from Union to Bowmanville would cost $7.70 per journey because it only crosses the two zones that Durham has been split into.
Similar issues occur on the Kitchener line where the split of Peel into Mississauga and Brampton (and the strange boundary alignment of the municipal boundary in NE Mississauga) add an extra zone-cost to all journeys beyond Malton.
Sunnyside
Active Member
You could just make Burlington-Oakville one zone to fix this, although I suppose it might have knock-on effects. Hamilton does show a discounted fare as well, but it only reduces the cost by 80 cents.
Geographically speaking there should be another zone in the east. Probably for everything east of Oshawa, but you’ll end up creating intra-region trips with added fare costs. That can be remedied I’m sure, but it’s not a big deal anyway as-is- it’s not like Bowmanville is the size of Hamilton, with half a million people getting a comparative advantage to it.
anb
Active Member
Maybe they'll consider Malton as just being in Brampton's zone due to the line's very short time in Mississauga and it would be very unnecessary if they charge riders an extra zone they didn't even wanna be in the first place.
Burlington and Oakville should just be merged into one zone and be called southern Halton if they're just gonna throw Milton and Halton Hills under one zone. Its understandable if they had done it this way because of the separate local transit between the 2, but it still should be in consideration. Brampton and Mississauga would have no choice but to stand on their own zones, we all know its highly unlikely they would ever combine them.
just east of the creek
Active Member
This is a very good idea and should be encouraged as much as we can. Yes we are going to nitpick zones ad infinitum but the bottom line will be implementation.