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GTHA Transit Fare Integration

chrisw said:
The Fare Integration Initial Business Case was mistakenly posted for a bit. Some excerpts posted in this Twitter thread.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1753171036508414293
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Here is a drive link to a pdf of the IBC

Many thanks to @JackTattTran for downloading it originally before Metrolinx got rid of it.

Metrolinx_Regional_Fare_Structure_IBC.pdf

drive.google.com drive.google.com

Edit: Here is a link to the archived pdf https://web.archive.org/web/2024020...ges/Metrolinx/Regional_Fare_Structure_IBC.pdf
 
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MrGoose said:
Here is a drive link to a pdf of the IBC

Many thanks to @JackTattTran for downloading it originally before Metrolinx got rid of it.

Metrolinx_Regional_Fare_Structure_IBC.pdf

drive.google.com drive.google.com
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Good on you, I was going to post this myself, but had to acquire it again........for obvious reasons.............

Also wanted to finish reading it so I could post it w/comments..............those are coming.

But thanks (genuine)
 
Wait - they’re really projecting an extra 300k customers daily with GO Expansion? That’s…over double the current daily weekday ridership, no?

I mean, I am very much in favour of GO expansion, and am rooting for GO to solidly become far more than a commuter service, but that projection is wild.
 
MrGoose said:
Here is a link to the archived pdf https://web.archive.org/web/2024020...ges/Metrolinx/Regional_Fare_Structure_IBC.pdf
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From the above, I'm going to extract some bits for everyone. But I would encourage those interested to at least save the actual document for future reading.

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There ya GO UT; happy reading. (I'm out of room for images in this post!)
 
allengeorge said:
Wait - they’re really projecting an extra 300k customers daily with GO Expansion? That’s…over double the current daily weekday ridership, no?
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In 2018, yes, they were projecting more than doubling GO ridership as GO Expansion rolled out. The 2055 ridership was projected at just over 600k trips per day. Toronto Union and NY Penn will be battling for #1 busiest station in North America (including subway ridership at both: Toronto nearly wins today based strictly on commuter rail ridership).

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Steve Munroe is quite critical of the Initial Business Case. Variation B,C,D are quite capital expensive by requiring tap off on the subway, charging more for regional subway riders.

Many of the benefits can be achieved by just reforming GO Fares and fixing the problems with GO Fares.
 
^ excuse my if ignorance and I haven't had a chance to look through in detail but didn't the IBC talk about several variants? Which one did they go with?
 
Allandale25 said:
^ excuse my if ignorance and I haven't had a chance to look through in detail but didn't the IBC talk about several variants? Which one did they go with?
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So its basically an expansion of the existing system in the 905, where GO fares supercede all fares, and transfer periods between local agencies are honoured. This does mean that making a trip between agencies does have different costs depending on the direction (so travelling from York to Toronto will cost 3.85 meanwhile travelling from Toronto to York will cost 3.30), but overall its a large improvement.
 
This is amazing to see. Never thought I'd see the day.

One thing that will be interesting to see over the next year or two is how these changes affect operations for cross-border transit. I would think that (for example) several YRT routes will see increases in ridership (along with accompanying drops for TTC routes) and maybe things like those cross - Steeles TTC buses get redistributed.
 
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