Northern Light
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Right, @nfitz said 3 hours; but if there is no co-pay, then a combined trip still uses the TTC window for that portion of the trip.
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GTHA Transit Fare Integration
- Thread starter RedRocket191
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Right, @nfitz said 3 hours; but if there is no co-pay, then a combined trip still uses the TTC window for that portion of the trip.
duty free
Active Member
i respectively disagree. i think the base fare has to be the same as the TTC fare and the transfer has to be 100% free.
interesting anecdote nonetheless. thanks for sharing.
nfitz
Superstar
Three hours for transfers ... or at least for doubling-back. I have examples on my Presto where the free return worked for 2:55 and didn't for 3:02.
Also I've tapped on, forgotten to tap off, but not worried about it because I know I'm travelling again within 3 hours - but then instead of tapping me off ... it does the penalty fare. Oh well, when I phoned in, they fixed the charge with no complaints - even giving me back the free return!
Ideally that would be great. I'd be thrilled though if I only had to pay an extra 40¢ to transfer from TTC to GO.
afransen
Senior Member
It might be that, in time, fare integration may introduce some zone fares so the cross-town trips in Toronto cost more than 3-4km local trips. Who knows. I don't think you would turn down fare integration where a trip that includes GO cost 40 cents more.
nfitz
Superstar
With those who have the longest TTC commutes, also being the poorest, and in priority neighbourhoods, TTC fare zones are a non-starter.
afransen
Senior Member
It might be more a matter of making local trips cheaper.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
GO shouldn't be any more than the TTC. Technology has absolutely nothing to do with your trip. You are going from A to B so who cares how you get there? You don't pay more for the subway than you do for the bus even though the subway is faster and more comfortable so why should it be any different for taking a GO train? As for the extra 40 cents mentioned, that may not be much to you but maybe a great deal to someone else. This is why transit agencies are hesitant about raising fares even just to keep up with inflation.............even a small increase can result in lower ridership.
Having a different fare also is a poor usage of transit infrastructure. Someone leaving from Rouge Hill taking the bus all the way to Kennedy or someone taking the streetcar from Long Branch to Union have the options of GO but don't take it because it's too expensive. Having GO at a standard TTC price means those riders will take GO so instead of needing much longer bus/streetcar routes to serve them and hence the TTC can have much more frequent shorter trips to their local GO station just like with the subways.
Having a different fare also is a poor usage of transit infrastructure. Someone leaving from Rouge Hill taking the bus all the way to Kennedy or someone taking the streetcar from Long Branch to Union have the options of GO but don't take it because it's too expensive. Having GO at a standard TTC price means those riders will take GO so instead of needing much longer bus/streetcar routes to serve them and hence the TTC can have much more frequent shorter trips to their local GO station just like with the subways.
nfitz
Superstar
It still would charge a penalty to the poorest.
It's not happening in the next decade or so.
duty free
Active Member
A + B = TTC fare.
within Toronto (or any 2 combined zones) the fare by distance should be irrelevant.
yes exactly. one flat fare for any two zones regardless of mode or agency. completely integrated and interchangeable. just how it should be.
afransen
Senior Member
I don't disagree, necessarily. I'm just willing to accept progress rather than spurning anything less than perfect. People should be willing to put some water in their wine or they will be perpetually disappointed.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
yes, but it does have some implications - should a bus ride from Hamilton to Waterloo Region really be $3.20?
facepalming_brooklynite
Active Member
or instead of much longer subway rides! (already plenty of people take UP express from Bloor(Dundas West) to Union instead of taking the subway, and the time save would be greater for longer distances (e.g take Barrie GO from Caledonia to Union instead of line 5 to line 1)
duty free
Active Member
that's a valid point, but again I don't really care about anything outside of Toronto. the website is called UrbanToronto, not SuburbanGTHA. the Province can figure out what makes sense for them.
should it? sure.
will it? probably not.
should Oakville and Burlington be one zone? should a trip from Durham to Toronto cost as much as a trip from Mississauga to Toronto? things like this can be debated endlessly. i'm only interested in how Toronto is affected.
chrisw
Active Member
Well, I'm in York Region and I think some YRT/TTC fare integration would be awesome. Short trips crossing Steeles are very heavily penalized. $7.23 for the current combined fare.
lexaprofessional
New Member
The ARTM does this excellently in Montreal with their fare zone system for the entire region. Integrating all transit modes onto one fare payment method is incredibly accessible and efficient. Makes being a tourist/visitor much more convenient and simple.