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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

In light of the above pair of posts............. I think someone should probably point out the value to Mx of turning that into a revenue train trip.

But before anyone writes in, I think @reaperexpress should be asked nicely if he can take the time to tell us if the schedule leaves room for any intermediate stops, particularly when factoring that run into the compressed Lakeshore corridor.

It would still add value as an express; but it might make sense to deliver an intermediate stop at Kennedy if the schedule allowed for it.
If it made stops it would follow the same timetable as the train an hour later. But then it would arrive at Union only 4 minutes before its next departure on the Kitchener line, so they presumably want to run it express to give it more time at Union and minimize the chance of delays.

So basically I think they would/should run it non-stop from Unionville to Union even though in most cases the time they save skipping Agincourt and Milliken will be lost sitting in the siding just north of Kennedy. The schedule could be three minutes shorter than the train an hour later since it would consistently save that much by skipping Kennedy and already being at the south end of the passing track at Kennedy at 16:48 when the northbound train departs. (The train could have stopped at Kennedy if Metrolinx had created a small project to extend the double track through Kennedy station which already has 2 platforms, one of which is abandoned).

On a similar note there is presumably a northbound counter-peak deadhead trip that departs Union around 07:10, passes a southbound train north of Kennedy at 07:29 and arrives at Unionville at 07:45 meeting another southbound train there.
 
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Bradford is one of the only GO stations with an at-grade pedestrian crossing. GO (and later Metrolinx) have been very proactive in providing grade-separated pedestrian crossings at stations, typically two at each station. I'm sure Metrolinx would support of a new pedestrian tunnel at Bradford station if they can find funding for it.
 
And does that include all three NYC-area commuter rail operators? (Metro-North, LIRR, NJ Transit)

Average weekday ridership.

From Wikipedia: *note there are ordered by 2018 weekday ridership, but 2024 is the subsequent column to the right would result in a different order.

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For regional/commuter rail?
And does that include all three NYC-area commuter rail operators? (Metro-North, LIRR, NJ Transit)

Average weekday ridership.

From Wikipedia: *note there are ordered by 2018 weekday ridership, but 2024 is the subsequent column to the right would result in a different order.
From the APTA 2024 ridership report, GO had ~53 million boardings and ~220k daily riders. When it comes to commuter rail, this puts it behind all three New York metro systems (the LIRR, Metro North, and NJ Transit), and ahead of the Chicago Metra.

chart of ridership; Metra has 166k daily and 34 million annual boardings, NJ Transit has 59 million annual boardings, the LIRR has 275k daily and 84 million annual boardings, and the Metro North has 255k daily and 68 million annual boardings.

GO's ridership. The commuter rail had 218k daily and 53 million annual boardings
 
From the APTA 2024 ridership report, GO had ~53 million boardings and ~220k daily riders. When it comes to commuter rail, this puts it behind all three New York metro systems (the LIRR, Metro North, and NJ Transit), and ahead of the Chicago Metra.

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Good resource.

But, they have more up to date data, they're up to Q2 2025. (doesn't change the order)



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Isn't Metra a bit of an oddball in that some of it's "commuter rail" lines serve frequent local stops?
I recall some of them are long distance hauls, but some are milk runs. It would be like if GO had 15 stops on the Lakeshore lines in Toronto.
I don't think you can reasonably compare these.

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I recall some of them are long distance hauls, but some are milk runs. It would be like if GO had 15 stops on the Lakeshore lines in Toronto.
It's 43km from Long Branch to Rouge Hill GO, so that would be 2.8km between stops. This is on par with Paris RER stop spacing of 2km to 3km.

I think that's a Toronto shortcoming rather than a Chicago overbuild.

To offer further context to the above exchange..........

LSW+LSE within the City of Toronto currently has 9 stations.

Park Lawn and East Harbour are both approved which would bring the total to 11.

No other stations are currently contemplated, though one at Spadina has long been considered, but not for use by Lakeshore Services, likewise Gerrard-Carlaw will exist for the Ontario Line but is planned to be bypassed by Lakeshore GO Services at this time.

If both were used there would be 13 total stations.
 
To offer further context to the above exchange..........

LSW+LSE within the City of Toronto currently has 9 stations.

Park Lawn and East Harbour are both approved which would bring the total to 11.

No other stations are currently contemplated, though one at Spadina has long been considered, but not for use by Lakeshore Services, likewise Gerrard-Carlaw will exist for the Ontario Line but is planned to be bypassed by Lakeshore GO Services at this time.

If both were used there would be 13 total stations.
Well maybe I should have said 25 instead. Unless someone can explain otherwise, some of those Metra lines seem to have stops as close together as the Bloor subway.
There would be two stops between Mimico and Long Branch on some of those lines.
 
Well maybe I should have said 25 instead. Unless someone can explain otherwise, some of those Metra lines seem to have stops as close together as the Bloor subway.
There would be two stops between Mimico and Long Branch on some of those lines.

Ok....so I looked at some of the closer station distances on Milwakee District West run and they are in the 650m -750m range......... that is extremely close even by subway standards.

Metra Electric also has several in the ~750m range.
 
Well maybe I should have said 25 instead. Unless someone can explain otherwise, some of those Metra lines seem to have stops as close together as the Bloor subway.
There would be two stops between Mimico and Long Branch on some of those lines.
Sounds awful. Certainly something Toronto shouldn't strive to replicate.

Expand our subway network instead.
 

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