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GO Transit: Service thread (including extensions)

ShonTron said:
The HSR route system doesn’t change much. Because of area rating (where municipal taxes differ by region), service is especially limited in the outlying former municipalities.
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I believe the City is currently phasing out area rating for the vast majority of items.

There have been a few route changes since 2019 - an extension of service to Winona comes to mind - which makes a lack of current transit map for Hamilton frustrating.

Hamilton has been investing a lot in it's bus system lately, but is currently limited in frequencies by the capacity of their single bus storage garage. Most service improvements have been in the off peak to increase bus utilization.

Their new bus garage should open in a year or so and that will give them a lot more ability to ramp service levels.
 
Sauga89 said:
I mean, I'm not sure if a GO bus stop 2 km from Hagersville counts as a stop "in" Hagersville. For there to be a stop in Hagersville, from what I understand, they'd have to add Haldimand County to GO's service area. It seems a waste to come so close and not stop in the town itself.

I drew a rough map of the route from Brantford, with each dot representing a stop.
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If they're not stopping in Hagersville itself, I don't know why they wouldn't scrap that last stop and loop back on Caledonia and the Hamilton airport instead. I imagine a lot of people would have to drive or get dropped off anyways to reach that last stop at the gas bar outside of Hagersville, and it's only a 6 minute drive to reach the next stop at 50 Generations Drive.
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I gave a crack at it, you can view it here. This is a complete guess, maybe tomorrow we'll learn more.

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Metroscapes said:
I gave a crack at it, you can view it here. This is a complete guess, maybe tomorrow we'll learn more.

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Interesting news. I think GO would be better off just offering a semi-frequent Hwy 6 service to Caledonia / Hagersville. Maybe even extend it down to Simcoe, which is sorely lacking in regional bus connections.
 
innsertnamehere said:
Interesting news. I think GO would be better off just offering a semi-frequent Hwy 6 service to Caledonia / Hagersville. Maybe even extend it down to Simcoe, which is sorely lacking in regional bus connections.
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Agreed.

I would create a separate route along 54 to connect Caledonia to Brantford.

Every if its only 3x per day, each way. It would connect Caledonia and Six Nations to the largest urban centres nearby.

They could do dail-a-ride or a hyper local service from Oshwekin down to 54.
 
Corktownie said:
There is in fact an up-to-date HSR map on their website under Schedule & Route Tools > Trip Planning Tools:

Trip Planning Tools | City of Hamilton

www.hamilton.ca www.hamilton.ca
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Perfect ... and only 3 months old. I didn't click deep enough. I'll stop criticizing the TTC website - hard to believe that in this day and age, HSR doesn't have their own yet!

Metroscapes said:
I gave a crack at it, you can view it here. This is a complete guess, maybe tomorrow we'll learn more.
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Why would it go back to Hamilton at all? They've already announced this new leg of service is between the Nations and Brantford.
 
Northern Light said:
Agreed.

I would create a separate route along 54 to connect Caledonia to Brantford.

Every if its only 3x per day, each way. It would connect Caledonia and Six Nations to the largest urban centres nearby.

They could do dail-a-ride or a hyper local service from Oshwekin down to 54.
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Yup. could tie in a Hamilton Airport connection as well, I think it would be decently well used as a semi-frequent service from Caledonia northwards - Probably bi-hourly with hourly peak hour service. South of Caledonia you could do a more infrequent service for regional connections - a few buses a day.

Caledonia has probably around 20,000 people these days and a large commuter flow into Hamilton, with another 100,000 people or so scattered across Haldimand and Norfolk counties. There is a population base for it.

Generally, GO could expend semi-frequent services in the following areas I think:

1. Haldimand / Norfolk
2. Southern Niagara (Welland & Port Colbourne)
3. Lindsay / Kawartha Lakes
4. Orillia
5. Collingwood / Wasaga Beach
6. Alliston
7. Port Hope / Cobourg
8. Elmira / Fergus
9. Stratford
 
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innsertnamehere said:
Yup. could tie in a Hamilton Airport connection as well, I think it would be decently well used as a semi-frequent service from Caledonia northwards - Probably bi-hourly with hourly peak hour service. South of Caledonia you could do a more infrequent service for regional connections - a few buses a day.

Caledonia has probably around 20,000 people these days and a large commuter flow into Hamilton, with another 100,000 people or so scattered across Haldimand and Norfolk counties. There is a population base for it.

Generally, GO could expend semi-frequent services in the following areas I think:

1. Haldimand / Norfolk
2. Southern Niagara (Welland & Port Colbourne)
3. Lindsay / Kawartha Lakes
4. Orillia
5. Collingwood / Wasaga Beach
6. Alliston
7. Port Hope / Cobourg
8. Elmira / Fergus
9. Stratford
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Of the above, Welland is integrated to Niagara Transit, which, hopefully, is set to become a moderately robust service over the next few years.

Orillia could be served (well is) by Lynx.......but needs to be 7-days per week and have evenings as well.

The others seem more isolated / in need of GO to me.
 
innsertnamehere said:
Yup. could tie in a Hamilton Airport connection as well, I think it would be decently well used as a semi-frequent service from Caledonia northwards - Probably bi-hourly with hourly peak hour service. South of Caledonia you could do a more infrequent service for regional connections - a few buses a day.

Caledonia has probably around 20,000 people these days and a large commuter flow into Hamilton, with another 100,000 people or so scattered across Haldimand and Norfolk counties. There is a population base for it.

Generally, GO could expend semi-frequent services in the following areas I think:

1. Haldimand / Norfolk
2. Southern Niagara (Welland & Port Colbourne)
3. Lindsay / Kawartha Lakes
4. Orillia
5. Collingwood / Wasaga Beach
6. Alliston
7. Port Hope / Cobourg
8. Elmira / Fergus
9. Stratford
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4, 5, and 6 are in Simcoe County Linx territory and have service. They just have to be boosted with evenings and weekends as well as better connections/fare integration.

Haldimand County and Lindsay would be my first two choices.
 
Metroscapes said:
I gave a crack at it, you can view it here. This is a complete guess, maybe tomorrow we'll learn more.

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I don't think this will be the routing at all. This will be an extension of the 15, not a total rerouting. The Six Nations portion will likely come after the bus service Brantford first since that is one of the largest customer base on the route.
 
ShonTron said:
4, 5, and 6 are in Simcoe County Linx territory and have service. They just have to be boosted with evenings and weekends as well as better connections/fare integration.

Haldimand County and Lindsay would be my first two choices.
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GO is better at serving these as they are regional routes - people are looking for regional connections. Someone from outside of Simcoe Region looking to travel to Orillia or Collingwood will not as readily use a local service as they would a GO service - just as when GO has grown to any new area ridership has expanded significantly over any previous service offerings - it brings with it a recognizable brand, fare system, user familiarity, and better cross-regional awareness of route options.

Linx is fine for someone from Orillia wanting to go to Barrie. But what if someone from Newmarket decides they want to take transit to Orillia? right now, most would assume they have to drive or would be unwilling to take Linx due to additional connections and fare systems to work through. A continuous GO service would attract a lot of these riders.
 
Lots of suggested improvements to this route to serve Six Nations, but just re-quoting this for emphasis.


Metroscapes said:
This may be a long trip between Six Nations and Hamilton / Aldershot, but remember that this is in consultation with Six Nations. It may be possible that going to Brantford is a higher priority; it is the home of their other reserve lands (Glebe Farm) and the Woodland Cultural Centre (former Indian Residential School turned art gallery, museum and library, and possibly home to undiscovered grave sites). There may be other important economic, social and cultural places for Haudenosaunee people that are more important than the GTA.

In fact, I'm shocked that Toronto-centred GO Transit is not running the shortest route. That said, if there is a desire to do that, service via Caledonia and Hamilton Airport would be a great side benefit for others.
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ShonTron said:
The schedules are not publicly posted yet (though are accessible), but here's the map of the route 15 extension.


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And here's the four weekend trips between K-W and Burlington/Niagara. Interestingly, they show the bus connection (12B) and not a rail connection.

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TY for that.

Let me enlarge the schedule a bit to make it easier to read for most folks:

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