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GO Transit Electrification | Metrolinx

Metrolinx ‘blocked’ key tasks, then fired partners for missing deadlines: report​

Internal emails and minutes hint at what a source called 'pure chaos' behind the scenes

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Even before Metrolinx cut off contact, progress was still agonizingly slow, they said.

The two sides held weekly “risk meetings” to discuss critical issues. But many issues in those meetings were tabled for weeks on end, several ONxpress and Metrolinx sources have told The Trillium.

“How is this happening? Everyone's here. People can just talk and make a decision, right?” a former ONxpress employee remembered thinking at the time. “That would be my German approach.”

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Implementing the new tech quickly became a nightmare, the former ONxpress employees said, as Metrolinx’s demands for tests "ballooned" in some cases from dozens to hundreds.

“And it just allowed the entire project to become a weird, strange, silly tech exercise, like a very box-checking exercise, rather than anything majorly rail-related,” one ONxpress source said.

Eventually, it became hard to even get meetings with Metrolinx to talk about the issues, that employee said.

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Still, nearly every source who has spoken to The Trillium over months of this outlet’s reporting on the failed GO Expansion partnership said a lack of urgency from Metrolinx was a key problem.

“The level of non-co-operation that we would get from them made it hard to imagine that there wasn’t a little bit of negative intent,” one former ONxpress employee said.

“I don't know if it was on purpose,” the other said. “I have the feeling they just did not care so much.”

 
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Wow with each fortnight comes more shit on MLs ineptitude leaking out...

Very very disappointing yet not surprising considering the size of their c suite.
The question now is what will they do about it...my guess is NOTHING AT ALL.... hoping that dougie or the next govt will disband this leach of a crown Corp.
 
What I don't understand is why Ford and the Minister don't hold ML's feet to the fire and demand they get moving. ML has been nothing but a headache for the gov't from Finch to Eglinton to Hazel to GO. Usually transit ribbon cuttings are the stuff politicians droll over but it's gotten so bad that politicians want to avoid them. Overhauling ML and forcing fast implemtation of electrification and new stations would be nothing but a political win and especially in the 905 where much of his base is.

I really am confounded as to why Ford & Company just let this ride. Id there something I'm missing?
 
What I don't understand is why Ford and the Minister don't hold ML's feet to the fire and demand they get moving. ML has been nothing but a headache for the gov't from Finch to Eglinton to Hazel to GO. Usually transit ribbon cuttings are the stuff politicians droll over but it's gotten so bad that politicians want to avoid them. Overhauling ML and forcing fast implemtation of electrification and new stations would be nothing but a political win and especially in the 905 where much of his base is.

I really am confounded as to why Ford & Company just let this ride. Id there something I'm missing?
I think we just need to acknowledge that Ford & Co just don't care about GO Electrification, to them the current diesel service gets the job done. I would also pose a possible conspiracy here, and that is there is a conflict between his car-centric nature and his developer buddies... let me explain. The Ontario Line at its core is simply a tool for land development (as seen by the closure of the Science Centre and the redevelopment of Ontario Place and the Exhibition Grounds). While on the surface there is nothing wrong with this as many subway lines around the world and even parts of our own streetcar network were built to spur land development, it needs to be understood that the OL is not some brilliant idea of transit planning but instead a way to make Doug's developer friends some money. It just so happens that in this instance the needs of the city align with the money to be made in the land development sphere.

So how does this correlate to GO RER? Well GO happens to own a lot of very valuable land, its parking lots and these lots are ripe for redevelopment. However Doug is easily the most car-centric Premier we have had since at least the late 1920's and he will not harm suburban car owners who drive to their local GO Station to ride the train into Downtown. What this means in practise is those massive parking lots are locked up and not going anywhere so Doug's developer buddies have no need to "convince" Doug to move this project along. I guarentee you if Doug wasn't so stuck in the 1950's car mentality and opened those parking lots up to redevelopment this project would be flying along like the OL is. Doug Ford is a crook plain and simple but he also knows who his voting base is so those parking lots are off-limits which means the backroom deals will need to come from other places (see Ontario Place, the Science Centre, Exhibition, and now the MTCC).
 
Wow with each fortnight comes more shit on MLs ineptitude leaking out...

Very very disappointing yet not surprising considering the size of their c suite.
The question now is what will they do about it...my guess is NOTHING AT ALL.... hoping that dougie or the next govt will disband this leach of a crown Corp.
The new article is fascinating and dissapointing at the same time. I'm happy human reporters are still doing good writing on good sites!

Fortunately, catenary is still coming to Toronto, courtesy of ALTO Train.

ALTO is the trojan horse that forces GO Electrification

While that may not be by the 2040s or 2050s, when the Toronto extension manages to occur after the addictive Ottawa-Montreal starter leg opening by hopefully 2038-2039. Realistically early 2040s after your obligatory construction delays.

Despite this, I do root for ALTO. Hopefully shovels hit ground 2029 on the Montreal-Ottawa leg before Carney needs to yield to an election.

GO Electrification could happen way sooner of course, but there's a nonzero chance that ALTO beats GO Electrification, and then devs want to milk the boom potential of electrification, forcing GO Electrification because of ALTO catenary commonalties on a shared corridor. This is the Way, methinks.

Since Air Canada is part of the ALTO consortium, there will be incentives to extend catenary to the hypothetical Woodbine GO station (roughly where UPX forks off the Kitchener corridor towards Pearson. Developers will find it irresistible to condoify Woodbine, so it all aligns. I don't believe an underground corridor reroute will happen to get nearer Pearson; I predict that an aging LINK would simply be replaced with a faster shuttle train that also connects to Woodbine GO, as part of the Union Station North long-term masterplanning.

Spreads Like Nutella (good) or Cancer (bad)

Some smart and/or clever late-2030s or mid-2040s election plan would combine it into one big electrification Big Bang of sorts (ALTO Kitchener + GO Kitchener Electrification + Pearson Stop).

So ALTO route eventually forces electrification of Lakeshore East GO and Kitchener GO corridors, and the rest of the dominoes follows because GO can't resist through-running Lakeshore electric trains or Stoufville-Kitchener trains.

Electrification would thusly, end up spreading like Nutella (good) or cancer (bad) despite both 2040s-era Ontario Conservatives and 2040s-era Ontario Liberals. You might even have an eventual forced efficiency-restructure of the big M along the way between now and 2050s, to prevent ALTO from causing lost government pensions for a bunch of figureheads (= fewer roadblocks for ALTO).

Unless boondoggle-league costs makes everyone want to cancel ALTO. So be it. But we're not there yet, because:

Montreal REM Encouragement Moment

My hope is that ALTO will pull off Montreal REM levels of sufficient construction efficiency and the Montreal-Ottawa section is so homerun, it amplifies high speed train demand.

One heck of a big razor-and-blades business plan. Addict us with a very quickly constructed taster segment. Just like Spain. Just like Japan. Just like China. Etc. That's Ontario-Quebec, a country-unifying initiative as big as relocating the capital city (Ottawa) on Ontario-Quebec border.

And y'know, Quebec did REM. I'm jealous of you, Montreal.

Also, guess what? CDPQ-Infra is a member of both Montreal REM and ALTO Train.

Mind you, so is SNC-Lavalin / AtkinsRealis, so there's that too. Y'know, the big scandals. But REM succeeded, by most measures. Fast construction, not offensive-league cost overrun, and well-loved. The same successful REM bigshots running ALTO Train.

Montreal loves REM.

Even many of us see Lavalin in a better light than, say, the big <whisper> M </whisper> that runs the green coloured commuter trains we love.

Undo the "Doggle" extension from the "Boon" route? </pun>

With the news media's squeals of predicatably "Beyondy-McBeyondFace" dismaying cost-overrun of over <hushed silence> $100B-ish, you'll probably need 2040-2050s era incomes to make ALTO fares feel cheap. Today, the cost of life is obviously not cheap, but after inflation, tomorrow's $250 fare feels like today's cheap $50 fares or thereabouts.

And some kind of equalizing between overfunded-roadplanning and underfunded-railplanning, may make ALTO fares even more affordable to 2040s/2050s-era incomes. Mayhaps.

Despite my dry sarcasm wit moment, I am not anti-ALTO, especially if enough Ontario jobs are created during ALTO construction. ALTO estimates ~50,000 jobs combined. The same ALTO funds actually indirectly funds a portion of GO electrification, chrissakes. Especially if it solves the expensive Union Station segment. And it feels more satisfying closer to REM Rabbit construction speed than Toronto Turtlelington Crosstown LRT construction speed, thanks to the common consortium members. Y'know, there is hope, after all.

(Hmm, Carney + Catenary? Hello Catarney. <make-a-meme.gif>)
 
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After reading the most recent Trillium article, one has to wonder, why did the Ford government even bother to move ahead with the whole ONxpress project with DB?

If the article is right, it seems within only months after making the initial announcement, MX and the Ontario government started getting cold feet and wanted to back out of the partnership.

I think they began to realise that DB's vision for GO would require more rolling stock (more smaller trains), and higher labour costs (more trains = more staff). At which point MX decided to go back to the original plan of continuing to run 12 coach diesels, and incrementally improve the system. But for whatever reason they decided not to tell DB right away. Probably because some higher ups at MX and the Ontario government felt foolish for announcing the partnership only to realise fairly quickly it wasn't going to work.

They could have figured all this out before announcing their partnership with DB back in January 2024. They could have decided not to move forward with DB and told them; "We like what we see, but we don't think this is going to work for GO in it's current state. Thank you!"
 
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After reading the most recent Trillium article, one has to wonder, why did the Ford government even bother to move ahead with the whole ONxpress project with DB?

If the article is right, it seems within only months after making the initial announcement, MX and the Ontario government started getting cold feet and wanted to back out of the partnership.

I think they began to realise that DB's vision for GO would require more rolling stock (more smaller trains), and higher labour costs (more trains = more staff). At which point MX decided to go back to the original plan of continuing to run 12 coach diesels, and incrementally improve the system. But for whatever reason they decided not to tell DB right away. Probably because some higher ups at MX and the Ontario government felt foolish for announcing the partnership only to realise fairly quickly it wasn't going to work.

They have figured all this out with DB before announcing the partnership back in January 2024. They could have decided not to move forward with DB and told them; "We like what we see, but we don't think this is going to work for GO in it's current state. Thank you!"
All about govt optics. Had they cancelled earlier they would've looked incompetent and would hurt their poll numbers. Also youre wrong in the nation that they "realised fairly quickly it wasn't going to work". They actively chose to not make it work and strung us along to the tune of billions of wasted money for their charades. I remember reading that they thought the DB plan had too many "frills". Seriously fuk them all. Hope they all get a slow flesh eating disease for betraying the entire gta.
 
@mdrejhon good of you to drop in!

Its only been six months and change.......stop by and say'hi' more often!
I doubled the size of my post with my famous Wall of Text edits. Study up, bud!

Back out of the shadows like a RealName Gen-X internet commentators of the Old Internet era, rather than act as a meme missile factory. I need a break from Almighty Algorithm, so I'm back on UrbanToronto.
 
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Despite the big M, our GO trains are the North American Commuter Train Champions

We all are very dissapointed at the <whisper> that regional transit agency </whisper>. Yet, GO trains are now awarded the best-commuter-train trophy on this (train-mediocre) continent. How's can that be?

Heck, our mere token commuter train frequency on Kitchener route is already subway-frequency by Miami standards. Here's Miami's subway schedule, can you believe that?

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- Miami, Florida subway

Surprisingly, Chicago Metra, Boston MBTA and (gasp!) New York LIRR are now (on average) behind the all-day all-week consistency frequent segments of our all-day GO train service.

We now out-LIRR several routes on the weekends. Even weekdays, Lakeshore (15-30min offpeak, 10-min peak) is starting to feel competitive to LIRR Babylon (20-30-min offpeak, 5-min peak). Also it is observed that GO's 2nd most popular now exceeds LIRR's 2nd most popular route. It is now argued that GO wins trophy even over New York City's commuter train if you filter down this way.

We're now out-LIRR-ing New York!

Yes, LIRR has more trains per day, and more routes than GO. But trains per day per route? That's now getting very similar on weekdays.

But, check the weekend timetables. All of the LIRR routes is much more sparse than GO's restored weekend 15 minute Lakeshore frequency. Several of our other GO routes keeps also now run "relatively" frequently on weekends. This means GO can feel more convenient than LIRR, excluding GO Milton and Richmond routes which penalizes (weekends are one big fat zero). Lakeshore now feels more subwaylike on weekends than some of those North American subways & LRTs (20/30/60 weekend frequencies).

LIRR Port Washington was the assumed champion in commuter trains/week. Not anymore after GO Lakeshore East resumes 15-minute weekend service on Lakeshore. I'll call it now: The GO horse will just have (slightly) pulled ahead of New York City LIRR in "convenience-feel" if you're near GO's Lakeshore route.

Trains/week for GO's strongest route (Lakeshore East soon), versus trains/week for LIRR's strongest route (Port Washington) = GO wins?! Slight LIRR weekday edge, but noticeably worse weekend service. (If you account for the train size (seats/week), we just blow way past LIRR in seats/week for a near-identical trains/week on respective flagship routes!)

Imagine, LIRR, the now ex-champ?

Toronto, the winning North America commuter train champion of the continent.

(By "flagship route versus" metric: Photo finish hair in trains/week count, but we definitely decisively win the "available seats/week" count due to our bilevel Godzillas)

Despite the big M, our GO trains now outperform Germany commuter trains

Despite our recent maintenance deficit and recent GO derailment... GO is now starting to be be envied over Germany's terribly decaying late-50%-of-time commuter train system that has killed people in their 2025 derailment, and lots injured in the 2017 train collision. What a damning record ...for a formerly-vaunted European train system.

Nobody has ever been killed inside a GO train during any train accidents since GO's inception in 1967. Not our arguably minor GO train derailment: Zero injuries! Hopefully it woke us up to catching up on fixing things. Hopefully.

We even now have this continent's one of the only true hourly ICE commuter train routes (Toronto-Hamilton hourly with peak period surges), with more trains per day than even AMTRAK's Acela Express flagship (peak+offpeak totalled), which is not a traditional commuter train.

Now, GO starts looking "impressive-ish".

Sure, Japan/China outdoes us, but GO is already even (gasp) already outdoing the now-much-more-unreliable Germany commuter trains. Toronto now outdoes the rest of North America (CAN-US-MEX). Trophy won fair and square, despite the big M.

Imagine What a REM Consortium Can Do: ALTO Trojan Horse to GO Electrification

Multiple members of Montreal REM are also members of ALTO high speed train.

If our big maligned regional transit provider <whisper> M </whisper> still manages such an amazingly stellar mean green commuter train that even now outperforms certain Europe countries, to boot!

Imagine what an even better REM-quality consortium can do with installing catenary to Union Station for GO Electrification (courtesy ALTO Train)! GO Electrification instead of GO Enshittification, for the win.

Hey, what a crazy world we are in, eh?
 

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Where is the rest of the media on this? The Trillium is doing excellent journalism on Toronto transit.
My guess is that it's a staffing issue. There aren't a lot of dedicated transit reporters left. Transit issues seem these days to be covered by city hall or Queen's Park reporters, and I expect they have a lot of other things to cover. With falling print ad revenue squeezing media outlets' budgets, it's not really surprising to see a lack of transit coverage.
 
They actively chose to not make it work and strung us along to the tune of billions of wasted money for their charades
But why? Why did the government move forward, and waste so much time & money on a plan they didn't like from the start, and had no intentions of seeing through?

Aside from our little niche of transit enthusiasts, it's not as if the wider voting base is clamouring for electric trains. Nor did the opposition force them to go through with this. Ford government holds a majority.
 

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