picard102
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Maybe the US should consider that traffickers, terrorists, and narcotics are a home grown problem of their own making.
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Former President Donald Trump's United States of America
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Bite your tongue! Don't you know that it's always the "other", the "outsider". /s
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Not sure why you do not understand the attraction of the US to Canadians, people legally in Canada and others. Though it certainly has MANY problems (including its new President) it is probably easier to 'succeed' there than here. Lots of Canadians enter US illegally, or enter legally and fail to leave as entry is easy!
Admiral Beez
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A fair point. And if they would curb their appetite for sexual/labour exploitation and drugs, plus stop meddling in other countries affairs they would have a lot less of all three.
picard102
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The marketing by the wealthy that America is a place where success is attainable has been a great campaign. Even Americans believe, that if they work hard, they too will become millionaires. Which is why they are reluctant to tax them, and happy to trade their lives away chasing that promise.
kEiThZ
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First off, let's not pretend this is just Indians when only a fifth of those caught are Indian. And the proportion is nearly the same as actual Canadians crossing illegaly.
Next, like I said above, it's the same group likely causing all the problems. Those at the lower end of the quality spectrum. It's not even those who come here for a 2-3 year college program. It's people coming here as TFWs or for 1 yr program where getting a visa was the primary consideration. For this group, there will be some who just have nothing to lose. A university graduate or a specialist tech won't find it worthwhile to work illegally. But somebody who worked here at Tim's and is often working partially under the table here doesn't have much to lose. And so they are willing to risk getting caught to get some American dollars before they inevitably end up back in their country of Origin.
The above is exactly why I have argued that the 1 yr student visas and most TFWs are BS. It's also why the government is substantially cutting back on Work Permits for 1 yr student visas. I'd prefer to see this entire sector shut down.
There'll be some leakage. But the fearmongering gets a bit much at times. But the US Government's own numbers they get a tenth of the migrants and 2% of the drugs from Canada. It's like saying a paper cut might eventually develop into a gunshot wound. It's extremely difficult for these numbers to scale and has been true for all the years they have had a crisis on the southern border. Mostly because we have strict visa policies for the countries that normally generate illegal immigrants to the US from Latin America. And given that even our riskiest immigration programs are a small fraction of the number of illegal immigrants to the US (and only a fraction of those risky Canadian immigrants become American illegals), it's mathematically impossible for Canada to ever be more than a fraction of the problem of the South. We could do better. But the idea that we'll even be a quarter of the problem of their Southern border is pure ignorance (or intentional misinformation in many cases). Don't fall for it.
We'll see where it goes. It's a question of sovereignty. Are we now going to simply let DC dictate our visa and trade policies? If so, it's a quick path to asking why we are a separate country at all. Some harmonization is okay and needed. I'm not sold on the idea that we cave to every crazy whim of the madman to the South. Especially, when (as we see in the actual stats), it's not fact-based.
kEiThZ
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Indeed, the reason why Mexico has such a bad problem with the cartels is because of the flow of arms from the US. And anybody who just thinks these are gangbangers are sorely mistaken. Some of these groups are better armed than actual militaries. I'm talking issued body armour, armoured vehicles, RPGs, SAMs and drones.
There's a lot of Americans in Trump's orbit who keep pining about deploying their Special Forces into Mexico. A kind of American Special Military Operation. And it will go about as well.
Team Trump Debates 'How Much Should We Invade Mexico?'
The idea America should invade Mexico has become increasingly mainstream among Trump administration officials and Republican lawmakers.
www.rollingstone.com
Admiral Beez
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One benefit of a hardened northern border on both sides could be greater enforcement against guns entering Canada.
Admiral Beez
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A invasion of Mexico is not going to happen - but SOPs conducting targeted killings? Yes, that’s definitely going to be on Trump’s mind. That was the theme of Tom Clancy’s Against All Enemies. Perhaps fiction becomes fact.
Less than 3k Americans died on 9/11 and the US lashed out at the world, leaving hundreds of thousands dead, disabled or displaced. Mexico’s cartels and their China suppliers have killed tens of thousands of Americans annually. Someone has to be held to account.
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kEiThZ
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Very doubtful. The whole point of "Fortress North America" is to reduce the friction between our two countries. We will never thicken our side of the border because it impacts trade.
Ultimately, a lot of this is just a law enforcement problem. To that end, I have a childhood friend who was seconded from CBSA to Ontario's organized crime task force. And he once told me that he will never argue with anybody in a parking lot in the GTA. He said, "The amount of guns I've seen. These days everybody is armed. The GTA will be Chicago in a decade." His argument was that we don't crack down enough on actual criminals and the proceeds of crime. He pointed out to lessons from Italy cracking down on the Mafia. And they did it mostly by taking away the assets of criminals.
kEiThZ
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I understand their emotions and motivations. I'm just calling it now that it will be a shitshow that fails because they fail to understand the root of the problem and massively underestimate the threat. There are actual retired high ranking SOF openly speaking out and calling this dumb. And I'm with them.
Targeted assassination sounds easy and looks sexy on TV. In real life, every one of these ops risks becoming Black Hawk down with groups that are several times better equipped than what the Rangers and Deltas faced in Mogadishu.
kEiThZ
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Will add too. Going to war in central and northern Mexico (where most of the cartels are) is a surefire way to end up with a large refugee crisis at the US border. Among many reasons why retired officers who understand the country are warning against this. But we all know experts are out of fashion these days. Maybe they'll have to learn by losing a few thousand operators that each cost several million and years to train.
Admiral Beez
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It'll make a great movie. Black Hawk Down II - Tijuana Takedown
Towered
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I saw an article that the Russians have been actively arming Mexican cartels...Indeed, the reason why Mexico has such a bad problem with the cartels is because of the flow of arms from the US. And anybody who just thinks these are gangbangers are sorely mistaken. Some of these groups are better armed than actual militaries. I'm talking issued body armour, armoured vehicles, RPGs, SAMs and drones.
There's a lot of Americans in Trump's orbit who keep pining about deploying their Special Forces into Mexico. A kind of American Special Military Operation. And it will go about as well.
Team Trump Debates 'How Much Should We Invade Mexico?'
The idea America should invade Mexico has become increasingly mainstream among Trump administration officials and Republican lawmakers.