nfitz
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I've clarified my post. I wish people here had the ability to read for context and assume good faith, rather than use any possible grammatical issue as a means to dodge the actual question!
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Finch West Line 6 LRT
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unrealestate
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Pretty exciting. Line 5 shouldn't be too far behind
Monarch Butterfly
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From https://stevemunro.ca/2025/11/21/line-6-finch-december-7-2025/
The initial service is described as a “soft opening”:
The initial service is described as a “soft opening”:
Monarch Butterfly
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From https://www.ttc.ca/riding-the-ttc/Line-6-Finch-West
So unlike streetcars, no onboard PRESTO machines. Will there be videos and commercials that explain that for us mere mortals? Unless I got that wrong.
So unlike streetcars, no onboard PRESTO machines. Will there be videos and commercials that explain that for us mere mortals? Unless I got that wrong.
Steve X
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This would probably allow them to do more training and maintenance as they get into the routine. I would not be surprise if they keep it like this for a few years as ridership builds.
A 6264
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It sounds like a terrible idea. I'd hate to be a fare avoider, but if I got on a train and discovered there is nowhere to swipe, I doublt I'd get off at the next stop, swipe, and then take another train. As far as I know, all buses have 2 swipeers by the doors, I sincerely doubt the TTC has a shortage of them.
ctf5650
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It makes the transfer with Line 1 simpler and is the same standard as the rest of the subway network. The underground stations have fare gates and the street-level platforms have multiple PRESTO readers in very obvious places, not sure what the issue is.
Amare
Senior Member
One interesting thing to note is the run time for Line 6:
I'll credit this to Steve Munro from his website:
The service level of 15 trains on a 6’30” headway implies a round trip time of 97’30”.
By comparison, the 36C Finch West bus has an AM peak round trip time from Finch West Station to Humberwood Loop of 116 minutes, and a PM peak RTT of 138 minutes. These times include recovery time at terminals. The peak period scheduled time between Humberwood Loop and Humber College Station for buses is 8 minutes, and so for comparative purposes, 16 minutes should be deducted from the bus running times to compare with the LRT. TTC has not yet published off-peak travel times or train counts.
So basically, Line 6 will take 97'30" minutes to operate end to end, while the current 36 takes 100 minutes to operate end to end in the AM peak, and 122 minutes to operate end to end in the PM peak.
Take from that what you will for now.
The concern I have is that the TTC only plans on operating buses every 10 minutes during this "soft launch" after the line closes at 10pm. I can already see this being disastrous, and not frequent enough from between 10pm-12am. But of course they wont see the problem until it unfolds for themselves to see.
I'll credit this to Steve Munro from his website:
The service level of 15 trains on a 6’30” headway implies a round trip time of 97’30”.
By comparison, the 36C Finch West bus has an AM peak round trip time from Finch West Station to Humberwood Loop of 116 minutes, and a PM peak RTT of 138 minutes. These times include recovery time at terminals. The peak period scheduled time between Humberwood Loop and Humber College Station for buses is 8 minutes, and so for comparative purposes, 16 minutes should be deducted from the bus running times to compare with the LRT. TTC has not yet published off-peak travel times or train counts.
So basically, Line 6 will take 97'30" minutes to operate end to end, while the current 36 takes 100 minutes to operate end to end in the AM peak, and 122 minutes to operate end to end in the PM peak.
Take from that what you will for now.
The concern I have is that the TTC only plans on operating buses every 10 minutes during this "soft launch" after the line closes at 10pm. I can already see this being disastrous, and not frequent enough from between 10pm-12am. But of course they wont see the problem until it unfolds for themselves to see.
A 6264
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I see what you're saying, but I'm used to paying when going through a turnstile or the doors on a vehicle, and I'm just afraid I would miss it by accident. The Presto readers may well be in obvious places if you're looking for them, but when making a dash from street to a train that's arriving, I wouldn't be looking around at station features. We are used to them being on streetcars and buses, and I'm sure we're going to forget the LRT is different. Readers cost money, but if the TTC can put 2 on every bus, and even more on streetcars, they can't be too pricey. I have a suspicion this is another instance of a Metrolinx standard overrideing a TTC standard. Am I wrong?
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It's very TTC-like if they were operating it like a 500-series streetcar.
Monarch Butterfly
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Or a "soft opening" to removing the PRESTO machines from the legacy streetcar network, and replacing them with PRESTO machines at the streetcar stops (or is that "streetcar stations")?
There were rumours that the TTC may end cash fares entirely at subway & LRT stations. Maybe buses & streetcars soon after?
See https://www.blogto.com/city/2024/09/ttc-ban-cash-fares-permanently-toronto/
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Kyle Campbell
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I remember first seeing that sign and wondering what the hell, but it's just confusing wayfinding since both the University itself and the station entrance are that way. And since the sign (not the station) has to be translated....You left out the best one
I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar sign at Humber College
jordanmkasla2009
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As you're coming up the ramp to the platform there's a PRESTO reader to your left and to your right side as well as a third reader beside the PRESTO TVM
canucks2030
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Good! It should not be extended. Time for Toronto to increase the subway and build quality infrastructure. Sheppard Line should be extended and Ontario Line should be extended on both sides. Would be great if the Ontario line would connect in the west with either the crosstown, Finch West or both.
T3G
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What is it with this forum and subways? Subways are the most expensive transit option on the table, every subway project executed means less money for something else, and therefore it should be used where it's the most justified. Maybe if we spent less money building the most overpriced option to anywhere that cries out loud enough for it, there might be money for improving service in other communities.
We should be building subways where an intermediate form of transit like LRT wouldn't be able to cover the ridership. There is nothing low quality about the Finch LRT and the form of transit infrastructure is exactly correct for the built form of the neighbourhoods through which it runs. As a daily Milton line user, I am beyond fed up of hearing how there's no money for the expansion of service on this corridor, and then seeing how everyone and their dog wants a subway right to their front door.