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Finch West Line 6 LRT

chrisw said:
Interesting, I thought the training delay for Finch LRT was a Metrolinx/TTC decision, because Finch is shorter and needs less employees to train. Eglinton having priority if you want to open both at the same time.
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Absolutely not. Both lines are being operated as one division, with all of the operators to be trained on both types of equipment and signalling.

The TTC would have loved to have trained everyone on both lines simultaneously, but that obviously hasn't; been the case as of yet. There is hope that the third pair of training classes - to start in early November - will be able to do that.

Dan
 
Allandale25 said:
Statement by Metrolinx in this CityNews report. Link below.

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What's interesting is that all this comes less than two weeks after Metrolinx announced that "All Stations and Stops for Finch West LRT [are complete]".

Also, Metrolinx's response is the opposite of the "let's hold hands and make up, we hope for a clear resolution" response that you'd expect. The more I look, the more I feel these are related, though I couldn't tell you how ...
 
can someone explain to me the following?

1960s: Line 2 Bloor-Danforth, 12.9 km, < 4 years to complete, mostly underground, $2 Billion (in 2023 dollars) to construct.

2020s: Line 6 Finch West LRT, 10.3 km, > 5 years to complete, almost entirely above ground, $2.5 Billion (in 2023 dollars) to construct.
 
duty free said:
can someone explain to me the following?

1960s: Line 2 Bloor-Danforth, 12.9 km, < 4 years to complete, mostly underground, $2 Billion (in 2023 dollars) to construct.

2020s: Line 6 Finch West LRT, 10.3 km, > 5 years to complete, almost entirely above ground, $2.5 Billion (in 2023 dollars) to construct.
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There is an 30 year capital/operation cost built into the price as well maintenances cost to cover all work required to the line as well the rolling stock. If you factor that out which will be hard, you will see the real cost just to build the line. All P3 projects are like this.

Doing things on the surface is harder to do than underground especially coming to relocating utilizes and rebuild the road.
 
duty free said:
can someone explain to me the following?

1960s: Line 2 Bloor-Danforth, 12.9 km, < 4 years to complete, mostly underground, $2 Billion (in 2023 dollars) to construct.

2020s: Line 6 Finch West LRT, 10.3 km, > 5 years to complete, almost entirely above ground, $2.5 Billion (in 2023 dollars) to construct.
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1960s: more and cheaper labourers, nine of whom died during construction at a time when there were fewer workplace safety regulations and precautions, built almost entirely cut-and-cover out of right-of-way, less technical sophistication, had the good fortune of a future-proofed Prince Edward Viaduct

2020s: fewer and more expensive labourers, none of whom died during construction, built almost entirely in middle of road while maintaining bidirectional traffic flow, higher technical standards, construction started right around the time covid hit
 
mr_content said:
1960s: more and cheaper labourers, nine of whom died during construction at a time when there were fewer workplace safety regulations and precautions, built almost entirely cut-and-cover out of right-of-way, less technical sophistication, had the good fortune of a future-proofed Prince Edward Viaduct

2020s: fewer and more expensive labourers, none of whom died during construction, built almost entirely in middle of road while maintaining bidirectional traffic flow, higher technical standards, construction started right around the time covid hit
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1910s: planned for future demand.

1960s: executed planned vision.

2020s: ...
 
drum118 said:
There is an 30 year capital/operation cost built into the price as well maintenances cost to cover all work required to the line as well the rolling stock. If you factor that out which will be hard, you will see the real cost just to build the line. All P3 projects are like this.

Doing things on the surface is harder to do than underground especially coming to relocating utilizes and rebuild the road.
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thanks for the reply.

the cost breakdown is nice and logical, but it doesn't explain the discrepancy in time to complete the project.

should they consider building cut and cover as a method of construction again, not necessarily for a project line an LRT line, but in general?

for example the SSE is using deep bore tunnels. seems silly that it'll take three times as long to build that extension compared to the original Line 2.
 
duty free said:
thanks for the reply.

the cost breakdown is nice and logical, but it doesn't explain the discrepancy in time to complete the project.

should they consider building cut and cover as a method of construction again, not necessarily for a project line an LRT line, but in general?

for example the SSE is using deep bore tunnels. seems silly that it'll take three times as long to build that extension compared to the original Line 2.
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From my first hand view and driving the route over the years, I was surprised as to where they were at the end on 2023 as I wasn't expecting to see that until Q2 2024. There were 3 areas that caused the greatest problem as it was more than expected time lost that push the completion date down the road.

As I noted, tunneling can be faster as they don't have to worry about traffic an the weather as well relocating things. At the same time, you are dealing with ML who is great for delaying things or making changes.

Line 2 was a cut and fill for most of the line and why it is north of the main street as the city bought up all the houses and tore them down along the route to do the cut and fill. Once work was completed, the city sold the land it did not need for redevelopment.

Line 2 kill the east end after the streetcars were removed and it is only the last 5-10 years that development is finally happening for the area.
 
drum118 said:
From my first hand view and driving the route over the years, I was surprised as to where they were at the end on 2023 as I wasn't expecting to see that until Q2 2024. There were 3 areas that caused the greatest problem as it was more than expected time lost that push the completion date down the road.

As I noted, tunneling can be faster as they don't have to worry about traffic an the weather as well relocating things. At the same time, you are dealing with ML who is great for delaying things or making changes.

Line 2 was a cut and fill for most of the line and why it is north of the main street as the city bought up all the houses and tore them down along the route to do the cut and fill. Once work was completed, the city sold the land it did not need for redevelopment.

Line 2 kill the east end after the streetcars were removed and it is only the last 5-10 years that development is finally happening for the area.
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east end as in riverdale/ upper beaches area? Does look a but dumpy on the old google streetview
 
dowlingm said:
What is the blocker to completing that part? The CP is grade separated - is there an issue with the bridge?
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Not sure whats happening, the rail part is complete, but I thought the plan was to make a multi-use path on the south side and a small tunnel under the CP bridge for the path. Then it looked like they were going to demolish the existing sidewalks in order to keep the road at 3 lanes in both directions, they haven't made any progress since Nov 2023 here.
 
Sept 4
Finally got around getting videos done up to this date

Was planning on shooting on Sunday, but got side track and force to do some short video for the line due to construction and paving
 
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