Aplus23
Active Member
I spotted the difference, the front cabin looks completely different. These are a lot more sleeker to the eye
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Finch West Line 6 LRT
- Thread starter W. K. Lis
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I spotted the difference, the front cabin looks completely different. These are a lot more sleeker to the eye
APTA-2048
Senior Member
The cars for Finch are also longer.
mahfoozm
New Member
quick msf shot from today
also there's now 2 eastbound lanes + left turn lane at norfinch (first time this area of finch has been usable in a long time)
also there's now 2 eastbound lanes + left turn lane at norfinch (first time this area of finch has been usable in a long time)
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
Main difference is the Finch cars are 4 longer sections and Eglinton 5 shorter sections per train.
Steve X
Senior Member
Well they are both gray and white, light rail vehicles made by Alstom. Featuring similar seats too. It'll not be that noticeable between regular riders.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Huh? They look like a box and have badly placed doors on them whoever designed them must have been blinded or have no idea what they were doing. Alstom should go back to the drawing board with them before they try to sell them to anyone else.
mahfoozm
New Member
Steve X
Senior Member
Maybe it was Ottawa that forced them to design such door placements as they were interested in a metro car in light rail form. Perhaps they asked for larger metro train motors that needed more space. The spirit has less module than the typical Citadis trams in Europe. Then dumbass ML came along fearing the Flexity won't arrive on time and ask them for this unproven design to be modified to fit on Finch/Hurontario.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I saw them and rode them in Ottawa and I wasn't impressed by them there so I don't really see why people are saying they are so amazing here. They are very boxy looking I think the fixities were designed better because they have real-world counterparts in Europe whereas the things that Alstom designed were brand new and have no counterpart anywhere.
NoahB
Active Member
Yeah, no.
The Flexity Outlook and Freedom are new variants of the Flexity family created by Bombardier, now Alstom, for the Canadian market.
The Citadis Spirit is a new variant of the Citadis family created by Alstom for the Canadian market.
A simple Google search shows that Wikipedia says that Citadis trams do operate in Europe. As a matter of fact, over 2300 Citadis trams have been sold as of 2017 operating in every inhabited continent. There are 3500 Flexity vehicles as of 2015.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I'm surprised that they sold that many of them.
Steve X
Senior Member
Aesthetic is a personal opinion. You can say that with all the T1 trains and all the older rectangular box buses. The spirit does offer to carry more riders for its length than the Flexity. Plus improved flow with dual sliding doors at every doorway. The 2 single doors at each end on the Flexity will be a major bottleneck.
I do feel that the doors are awkwardly place. If you look at most European/Australian cities, their Citadis is way more balanced.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
Not really because they are placed in different modules from ones that people are sitting in, one thing that helps is we don't have the stupid center poles that Ottawa does. Metrolinx shouldn't have ordered these without a full request for tenders they sole sourced the contract for no reason at all and probably got hosed on the price too.
Steve X
Senior Member
Definitely a mistake. They weren't designed for Finch either. We ended up with 48m trains instead of 60m.
T3G
Senior Member
They don't run on looks. Clearly there wouldn't be many sales if they did:
