Finch West Line 6 LRT

[salsa]

The recent front page article describes what the transfer will look like between the Finch West LRT station and the subway/street, and it ain't pretty.

Site Plan Approval Sought for Finch West LRT Station at Keele | UrbanToronto

Metrolinx and Mosaic Transit Group have submitted an application to the City of Toronto seeking Site Plan Approval for an LRT station at Keele Street with an underground connection to the Finch West subway station on TTC's Line 1.

urbantoronto.ca

The connection between the LRT platforms and both the subway and the street will be complicated. The roof of the LRT station will be just 2 metres below street level under Finch Avenue.

With a centre platform, riders getting off the LRT here will descend—via stairs, escalator, or an elevator—to a concourse level. They will be able to turn right, exit through fare gates and then take stairs, escalator, or an elevator two flights up to street level (as seen in the rendering below), or will be able to turn left, exit through fare gates and then follow a hall northwards, rise up one level via stairs or a ramp, and then turn west where the hall will connect with the underground concourse level of the subway station. To reach the subway or buses, they will enter through fare gates then either descend a level to the subway platform or ascend a level to the bus terminal.

Accessing the Finch West LRT from the subway will require a similar up-down-up travel travel pattern in the opposite direction, while accessing the LRT from the street will require riders to descend two levels from within the street entrance before rising one level up again to reach the LRT platform.

 

[Leo_Chan]

The recent front page article describes what the transfer will look like between the Finch West LRT station and the subway/street, and it ain't pretty.

Site Plan Approval Sought for Finch West LRT Station at Keele | UrbanToronto

Metrolinx and Mosaic Transit Group have submitted an application to the City of Toronto seeking Site Plan Approval for an LRT station at Keele Street with an underground connection to the Finch West subway station on TTC's Line 1.

urbantoronto.ca

The connection between the LRT platforms and both the subway and the street will be complicated. The roof of the LRT station will be just 2 metres below street level under Finch Avenue.

With a centre platform, riders getting off the LRT here will descend—via stairs, escalator, or an elevator—to a concourse level. They will be able to turn right, exit through fare gates and then take stairs, escalator, or an elevator two flights up to street level (as seen in the rendering below), or will be able to turn left, exit through fare gates and then follow a hall northwards, rise up one level via stairs or a ramp, and then turn west where the hall will connect with the underground concourse level of the subway station. To reach the subway or buses, they will enter through fare gates then either descend a level to the subway platform or ascend a level to the bus terminal.

Accessing the Finch West LRT from the subway will require a similar up-down-up travel travel pattern in the opposite direction, while accessing the LRT from the street will require riders to descend two levels from within the street entrance before rising one level up again to reach the LRT platform.

This is worse than Kennedy Station Subway to SRT right? Especially with the double fare gates.

 

[nfitz]

This is worse than Kennedy Station Subway to SRT right? Especially with the double fare gates.

Metrolinx has since confirmed there (probably) aren't fare gates to transfer from Line 1 to Line 6.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1159886073495007234

 

[11th]

Metrolinx has since confirmed there (probably) aren't fare gates to transfer from Line 1 to Line 6.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1159886073495007234

So unless they step up on fare enforcement within the subway system, line 6 will be one wide open "fare gate".

 

[Divas S.]

So unless they step up on fare enforcement within the subway system, line 6 will be one wide open "fare gate".

you know there aren't fare gates when transferring subway lines already, right?

 

[H4F33Z]

you know there aren't fare gates when transferring subway lines already, right?

I think he meant was you can take the Finch LRT at the surface for free then enter the system. Same as Eglinton. Kind of dumb so they would definitely need to beef up the enforcement.

 

[Divas S.]

I think he meant was you can take the Finch LRT at the surface for free then enter the system. Same as Eglinton. Kind of dumb so they would definitely need to beef up the enforcement.

damn it, im WRONG !!11!!!

but seriously I think they would do what they do at Spadina station with the streetcars and check people transfering

 

[FW36]

here are WOODBINE ENTERTAINMENT GROUP ideas for the finch west lrt south expansion

 

[BurlOak]

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here are WOODBINE ENTERTAINMENT GROUP ideas for the finch west lrt south expansion

Is this from a while ago. I thought the Humber Station was aligned in an East West direction.

 

[nfitz]

I think he meant was you can take the Finch LRT at the surface for free then enter the system.

Not sure why the Finch LRT would be free.

How is this any different than any TTC streetcar that enters in a fare-paid zone?

Is this from a while ago. I thought the Humber Station was aligned in an East West direction.

Not for a few years. Humber College station is under and aligned with Highway 27.

 

[FW36]

Is this from a while ago. I thought the Humber Station was aligned in an East West direction.

No the humber college station will be aligned in a north and south direction

 

[H4F33Z]

Not sure why the Finch LRT would be free.

How is this any different than any TTC streetcar that enters in a fare-paid zone?

Not for a few years. Humber College station is under and aligned with Highway 27.

No, obviously the lrt will not be free to ride but the surface sections operates on proof of payment so there aren't any fare gates there so someone could theoretically if they're lucky and not encounter an inspector and enter the system. Just like the streetcars

 

[Steve X]

The recent front page article describes what the transfer will look like between the Finch West LRT station and the subway/street, and it ain't pretty.

Site Plan Approval Sought for Finch West LRT Station at Keele | UrbanToronto

Metrolinx and Mosaic Transit Group have submitted an application to the City of Toronto seeking Site Plan Approval for an LRT station at Keele Street with an underground connection to the Finch West subway station on TTC's Line 1.

urbantoronto.ca

The connection between the LRT platforms and both the subway and the street will be complicated. The roof of the LRT station will be just 2 metres below street level under Finch Avenue.

With a centre platform, riders getting off the LRT here will descend—via stairs, escalator, or an elevator—to a concourse level. They will be able to turn right, exit through fare gates and then take stairs, escalator, or an elevator two flights up to street level (as seen in the rendering below), or will be able to turn left, exit through fare gates and then follow a hall northwards, rise up one level via stairs or a ramp, and then turn west where the hall will connect with the underground concourse level of the subway station. To reach the subway or buses, they will enter through fare gates then either descend a level to the subway platform or ascend a level to the bus terminal.

Accessing the Finch West LRT from the subway will require a similar up-down-up travel travel pattern in the opposite direction, while accessing the LRT from the street will require riders to descend two levels from within the street entrance before rising one level up again to reach the LRT platform.

Yes. I mention this a while back. It's fine when transferring to line 1 but street access is a disaster. They're going from a bus stop right at the corner of Keele/Finch to 3 stories of escalators. Unless you're going to the west end of the line, pretty much all the time saved from the lrt is lost.

Not sure why the Finch LRT would be free.

How is this any different than any TTC streetcar that enters in a fare-paid zone?

I agree they should really put gates between the two lines there. It will be cheaper than hiring fare inspectors and potential revenue lost. A ticket doesn't necessary translate to a fine paid to the city.

There is a difference between the streetcar-subway connection vs lrt-subway connection. You cannot pay you fare on the lrt trains. You must do so before you board the lrt. If you see inspectors at Finch West or Eglinton (on the crosstown), you are pretty much screwed. There won't be any readers on the train you can run back to and tap. On the streetcars, you can totally do that as long as they don't see you. TTC is well aware of this tactic by now

 

[W. K. Lis]

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here are WOODBINE ENTERTAINMENT GROUP ideas for the finch west lrt south expansion

There is a push from developers for a southwest extension to Woodbine Entertainment and Pearson Airport. But will that happen before, after, or at the same time as the east extension to the Finch Subway Station at Yonge Street?

 

[rbt]

There is a push from developers for a southwest extension to Woodbine Entertainment and Pearson Airport. But will that happen before, after, or at the same time as the east extension to the Finch Subway Station at Yonge Street?

I'm not sure these priorities could be determined until the Liberals pick a new leader and have a chance of winning the election.

I don't see Ford financially supporting any extensions of Finch, even if it opens during his second term and is considered successful.

I don't see Woodbine funding 100% of the cost of an extension. ~2km to Woodbine GO for elevated track is still a fair amount for them.

I don't see an NDP majority government appearing in the near future. NDP polling even above the OPC by a few % still gives OPC a majority due to the distribution of the votes. NDP needs over 45% of the popular vote to win a majority, or a big swing in their voter base to South-Western Ontario.