Danforth Line 2 Scarborough Subway Extension

[TheTigerMaster]

I think we were showed that it is whoever pays for it that has the final say or have you forgot the province saying it was subways or subways regardless of city council deciding to flip one more time. You'd need an NDP Majority to sink the SSE...we both know that's not happening

Okay? And that has absolutely no relevance to my comment. In 2011, QP made it clear that they were going to go along with whatever Coucil approved. My comment didn’t pertain to SSE in any way.

 

[Cobra]

Actually, you're misleading people. The end result is that Metrolinx and City Council saved the Eglinton LRT, which fortunately was far enough along that we didn't have yet another transit line on Eglinton canceled. The end result is complete inertia on the transit file. If Ford had not interfered, the LRT to STC would've been nearly done, with the Crosstown East extension already a reality, instead of being completely unfunded due to the ballooning cost of the foolish SSE proposal.




Eglinton is buried where it needs to be buried - that has absolutely nothing to do with Ford.

Turning down $2 billion in additional transit dollars that could've been reallocated to something that mattered was incredibly stupid and shortsighted - two words that define the Ford era.

wrong thread anyways

 

[BurlOak]

Okay? And that has absolutely no relevance to my comment. In 2011, QP made it clear that they were going to go along with whatever Coucil approved. My comment didn’t pertain to SSE in any way.

In 2012, the Liberals were working behind the scenes with Stintz and DeBaermaker to kill the city approved SRT and bringing in the SSE.

 

[EastYorkTTCFan]

Crossing the DVP or Victoria Park/Eglinton at-grade is a fatality waiting to happen. More grade-separation is definitely needed and Ford's opponents failed to see that fact in their zeal to destroy him.

What makes you think that do you think the LRT will go through the intersection with the lights against it or something? How many major streets downtown do Streetacras cors daily without fatalities?

 

[syn]

Crossing the DVP or Victoria Park/Eglinton at-grade is a fatality waiting to happen. More grade-separation is definitely needed and Ford's opponents failed to see that fact in their zeal to destroy him.

LOL

Is there a stop on the DVP we're unaware of?

Here's an accident waiting to happen:

I wonder if there's something we could do about it...

 

[Hopkins123]

What makes you think that do you think the LRT will go through the intersection with the lights against it or something? How many major streets downtown do Streetacras cors daily without fatalities?

LOL

Is there a stop on the DVP we're unaware of?

Here's an accident waiting to happen:

I wonder if there's something we could do about it...

Sigh!...

https://globalnews.ca/news/3380677/pedestrian-dies-after-being-struck-by-streetcar-in-chinatown/
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...etcar-torontos-deadliest-for-pedestrians.html
http://torontosun.com/2015/05/06/tt...rash/wcm/09e6618b-0fbe-4a1f-80bc-97dcc0d6f2ee
http://www.metronews.ca/news/toront...erous-time-to-be-a-pedestrian-in-toronto.html

I wonder if there's something we could do about it. At least the blood won't be on my hands for this Miller/Liberals' screw up.

 

[Kyle Campbell]

There were 28 pedestrians killed by cars last year and many more injured, but nobody demands we grade separate every road. While every effort should be made to protect them, there's a limit when they don't follow traffic rules. While there may be more streetcar fatalities on St Clair now, there is 50% less total incidents than before according to this article.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...ar_line_has_made_pedestrians_safer_study.html


What can be done is to make pedestrians less of an afterthought, which causes them to take risky behavior. I'll use myself as an example, I have to cross a busy street every day to catch a bus, and I do have a signalized crossing. However, because I'm an unimportant pedestrian, there's a two minute wait for the light to change, thus causing me and my fellow bus riders often to cross against the light so we don't miss the bus. There's no real thought in traffic planners minds about human behavior, we're obviously just vehicles with feet and will respond the same as a car.

 

[syn]

The Liberals and David Miller are responsible for a streetcar fatality in Chinatown?!

 

[salsa]

So I guess streetcars as a mode of transportation are now in doubt too, as per this latest leap of logic from the SSE fan club.

 

[Kyle Campbell]

The actual idea of the extension isn't a bad idea at all. It's just given all the various crisis within the TTC, it doesn't seem like it should be at the forefront. The DRL was way more important then any of the projects that have been built in the past decade, and the SSE seems to be another thing cutting in line. There's already rapid transit to the STC, it's just not as desirable. Should there be a subway, yes, with actual stops between the STC and Kennedy. But, do we have to build a 6km "express" subway right now, costs-be-damned, no.

 

[pman]

The actual idea of the extension isn't a bad idea at all. It's just given all the various crisis within the TTC, it doesn't seem like it should be at the forefront. The DRL was way more important then any of the projects that have been built in the past decade, and the SSE seems to be another thing cutting in line. There's already rapid transit to the STC, it's just not as desirable. Should there be a subway, yes, with actual stops between the STC and Kennedy. But, do we have to build a 6km "express" subway right now, costs-be-damned, no.

KC’s post is a voice-of-reason compromise position. Unlike pretty much everyone on this thread, certainly including me, he’s willing to acknowledge the messy political reality and attempt to listen to both sides. I don’t actually agree with his analysis of SSE itself, but even I have to admit there’s no data-driven argument to say it should never be built. I also have to realize that the amalgamated City is here to stay, like it or not, so we are forced to find a way beyond the polarized and ultimately sterile back and forth between the two camps. So, thanks KC. Also, please be Mayor.

 

[Leo_Chan]

KC’s post is a voice-of-reason compromise position. Unlike pretty much everyone on this thread, certainly including me, he’s willing to acknowledge the messy political reality and attempt to listen to both sides. I don’t actually agree with his analysis of SSE itself, but even I have to admit there’s no data-driven argument to say it should never be built. I also have to realize that the amalgamated City is here to stay, like it or not, so we are forced to find a way beyond the polarized and ultimately sterile back and forth between the two camps. So, thanks KC. Also, please be Mayor.

But the Mayor only has one vote.

 

[syn]

KC’s post is a voice-of-reason compromise position. Unlike pretty much everyone on this thread, certainly including me, he’s willing to acknowledge the messy political reality and attempt to listen to both sides. I don’t actually agree with his analysis of SSE itself, but even I have to admit there’s no data-driven argument to say it should never be built. I also have to realize that the amalgamated City is here to stay, like it or not, so we are forced to find a way beyond the polarized and ultimately sterile back and forth between the two camps. So, thanks KC. Also, please be Mayor.

I would say the SSE, in it's current form, should never be built.

Should the idea of a subway in Scarborough never be considered? Of course not. It's just not something that needs to be considered for decades given the other areas of need in the system and better current solutions for Scarborough.

As I've said all along - I have no problem spending $5 billion for transit in Scarborough. I do have a problem wasting $5 billion in Scarborough, and that's exactly what the SSE is shaping up to be.

The city would be far better off building subways in priority areas of need, and only building a subway in somewhere like Scarborough when it can be done properly. Cost and a lack of density make the current SSE a terrible idea.

If they do go ahead, I hope it's entirely above ground to save costs. That's the only way this comes even remotely close to making any kind of sense.

 

[Kyle Campbell]

I have a pretty strong suspicion it will get built in its current form now, but perhaps even more compromised after the numbers come out. The province and all the mayoral candidates (not including me ) seem committed to the idea something MUST be built for the sake of building something, but it seems in the end it will be something everyone regrets, expensive to maintain, and expensive to fix later (such as adding in missing stations)

 

[Hopkins123]

I would say the SSE, in it's current form, should never be built.

Should the idea of a subway in Scarborough never be considered? Of course not. It's just not something that needs to be considered for decades given the other areas of need in the system and better current solutions for Scarborough.

As I've said all along - I have no problem spending $5 billion for transit in Scarborough. I do have a problem wasting $5 billion in Scarborough, and that's exactly what the SSE is shaping up to be.

The city would be far better off building subways in priority areas of need, and only building a subway in somewhere like Scarborough when it can be done properly. Cost and a lack of density make the current SSE a terrible idea.

If they do go ahead, I hope it's entirely above ground to save costs. That's the only way this comes even remotely close to making any kind of sense.

It's already been decades!! Indefinitely delaying the extension project till it costs billions more per kilometre to build only worsens the problem.