sixrings
Senior Member
It sure would suck in general to live right beside that. But it would be even worse to not have any access to it because the station is no where near the house.
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It sure would suck in general to live right beside that. But it would be even worse to not have any access to it because the station is no where near the house.
Adjei
Senior Member
Let me get this straight. Streetcars and LRT bad, because they would need crossing gates.
Heavy rail or subways good, because they do not need crossing gates.
Does that mean that these CTA Brown Line trains are "streetcars", according to your definition, and therefore "bad"?
They sure look like heavy rail Chicago subway trains to me.
Ha it's funny to see the arguments people will put forward to push forward their agendas.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
LRTs absolutely do Not Need crossing gates to be reliable. Vehicles blocking the trains is a rare occurrence at most. Trains will probably be delayed far more because of passenger suicide than by vehicles blocking the tracks.
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sixrings
Senior Member
I wonder how many people would actually commit suicide on a outdoor lrt. I lived in Calgary for four years and never remember a delay or a news article about suicides. Also we hear all the time about people committing suicides on the subway system but I never hear about that in regards to buses, and some bus drivers drive way over the limit so it wouldnt be hard to do. It seems rather that those who commit suicide rather do it in dark places. Then again this could be completely off base.
nfitz
Superstar
Surely the first map with no stops is simply the location of a line, without an attempt to show where stops are.
This mistake was at the last minute creating a second one, with a stop in the middle. It's clear they haven't thought through stops yet ... not sure why people are reading so much into this.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
It's an indication that the province hasn't though this out very well.
"Just gives Scarborough the damn and stop bothering me". An aid probably went in Adobe Illustror, drew some line on a map, printed it out and called a press conference. It's a disgraceful plan.
"Just gives Scarborough the damn and stop bothering me". An aid probably went in Adobe Illustror, drew some line on a map, printed it out and called a press conference. It's a disgraceful plan.
Adjei
Senior Member
Well the people of Scarborough are happy with it, they would be happy with a one stop subway as long as it's a subway.
Electrify
Senior Member
An LRT is NOT simply a streetcar in its own ROW. Yes they are very similar and use the same rolling stock, but they are different. Specifically, a "true" LRT should have signal priority and wider stop spacing than a streetcar ROW.
If Spadina was a true LRT, it would only stop at the major streets that the subway stops at (Harboard, College, Dundas, Queen, King) - if that, and would have signal priority so the damn thing wouldn't be getting so many red lights. It would also have off-board payment, which is actually coming with the new streetcars.
That said, the difference is also hardly black and white. There are many shades of grey as different cities around the world implement their lines and systems differently. This is true for all rail transit modes though, such as between LRT and subways (Newcastle) and subways and commuter rail (San Francisco). Toronto's proposed LRT lines appear to fall between streetcars and LRT.
BurlOak
Senior Member
I was thinking J walkers more than suicide. Many pedestrains think nothing of daring a 2 ton car to slow down as they amble across the street. I would think they would do the same with an LRT. In fact, I thought I recall a fatality in Calgary a few years ago.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
People get killed all the time on the subwaytoo Burl. I've seen teenagers on the track a few times.
Electrify
Senior Member
Let me get this straight. Streetcars and LRT bad, because they would need crossing gates.
Heavy rail or subways good, because they do not need crossing gates.
Does that mean that these CTA Brown Line trains are "streetcars", according to your definition, and therefore "bad"?
They sure look like heavy rail Chicago subway trains to me.
By some, they would be considered "light rail" due to these crossings.
Interestingly enough, these lines operate almost identically to those in Edmonton, though that is considered an LRT. Even capacity is similar if I'm not mistaken. Edmonton's trains might be street legal, though there are no street running portions in their system.
EDIT: Also, fantastic pics!
Solid Snake
Active Member
Let me get this straight. Streetcars and LRT bad, because they would need crossing gates.
Heavy rail or subways good, because they do not need crossing gates.
Does that mean that these CTA Brown Line trains are "streetcars", according to your definition, and therefore "bad"?
They sure look like heavy rail Chicago subway trains to me.
Clever but kind of weak...
You know full well that non of the LRT line will have barriers at the intersections preventing traffic from interfering with them. Finch, Sheppard and Eglinton East will stop at red lights as well
W. K. Lis
Superstar
And I guess these are "streetcars", since these cars run on tracks in the middle of the street.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Toronto actually has around 500 meters of freight track like that on lakeshore after the Gardiner ends.. rarely used though.
Solid Snake
Active Member
And I guess these are "streetcars", since these cars run on tracks in the middle of the street.
Even a weaker argument...
can you go weaker than that
For me a true LRT Rapid transit would be nothing less than this for
SRT-Eglinton Crosstown
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