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Braddock, PA: Out of the Furnace and into the Fire

Actually Census estimates are notoriously wrong by a good number, Pittsburgh might have actually started regaining people in the past few years. Not necessarily the city, but the metro as a whole. We won't know until the 2010 census.

I do hear about that just starting to happen with Scranton--though that benefits more from affordable-exurb/diamond-in-the-rough proximity to NYC, Philly, etc (plus a touch of The Office chic). And that's following in the footsteps of places like Reading, or a lot of New England mill towns like Lowell, Lawrence, Manchester etc, all of which started growing again once they found a footing in some form or another of a "new economy". Likewise in Britain, what seemed to be terminal inner-city/innerburban decline in the 70s either stabilized or reversed itself subsequently--thus you find the built-out affluence of Surrey showing more negative population growth over the past generation than London proper, or even Greater Leeds/Sheffield/Liverpool/Manchester.

Pittsburgh still seems a bit too far-flung for the full effects of this urban revival; and unfortunately, it might still suffer from too many built-in flyover-country "Red American" cultural flaws i.e. it's more tied-in with West Virginia than Philadelphia.

And as "wrong" as Census estimates might be, the pattern still hasn't nudged that much, judging from the figures here--note Allegheny County, which centres upon Pittsburgh. (Though its reported 2006-07 loss was halved from the previous year, if that's any advance-warning comfort.)
 
Pittsburgh is actually one of the most hard to categorize cities in the United States. Its too italian, way too eastern european, too catholic to be lopped in with West Virginia. I agree central PA has some issues with West Virginia-fication, but not the Pittsburgh metro. A matter of fact, there is a swath of progressive flavor that extends down from Pittsburgh into Northern WVA, particularly Morgantown. That little town has too many gay bars for it to be typical West Virginia. And West Virginia University brings a lot of college kids that wouldn't otherwise be there.

But its obvious Pittsburgh isn't an east COAST city, because it is certainly a little more Great Lakey than East Coasty. US great lakey that is, because as we all know the GTA is nothing like what is across the border. ;)

Anywho, Pittsburgh also has such a weird set of accents. You will hear the Pittsburghese, as its called, but you'll also hear pretty typical italian northeastern accents, you will hear northern mountain accents, you will hear midwest whispy accents (which is very common among the large eastern european ethnic groups here).

Its an extremely convergent area, even with its population loss.

Its architecture and layout is far more Massachusetts than Ohio. I think Ohio and Pennsylvania share a strong invisible border, a stronger invisible border than most states.
 
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Brandon: An overview on the Pittsburgh accent and about Ohio...

Brandon: Yes-Pittsburgh DOES have a regional accent of its own.

I have a paperback book called "Sam McCool's New Pittsburghese-How to talk like a Pittsburgher" dated 1982-Hayford Press. This book describes the regional terms and dialect of the Pittsburgh Area-I got it on one of my early 80s trips to PGH. You can also look here: "Steel-Town Speak" from PBS's
"American Varieties" Try:
www.pbs.org/speak/seatosea/americanvarieties/pittsburghese

As for Ohio and West Virginia: I want to mention that areas in WV such as the Northern Panhandle-Northern Marshall,Ohio,Brooke and Hancock Counties-from Moundsville on N including Wheeling,Weirton up to the N end at Chester across from East Liverpool,Ohio is WV in name only-for all intents and purposes it is basically an extension of Western Pennsylvania.

The Pennsylvania/Ohio State line directly is all of 92 miles-from the Ohio River at East Liverpool,OH and Glasgow,PA up to the shore of Lake Erie at Conneaut,OH and West Springfield,PA.

I am going to post at a future time an overview of Ohio - as described by a geography buff and native Ohioan(Cleveland Area) I sometimes deal with.
This gentleman describes Ohio as a state WITHOUT a distinct identity and how regions in Ohio are more like the states that border it. Those areas and cities near PGH-like Steubenville which is only 45 miles from Pittsburgh and Youngstown-70 miles away are Ohio basically in name only but are much more like extensions of Western Pennsylvania nearby.

My time's up for now-Long Island Mike - I am adding more on these subjects below 1/12.
 
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When it comes to the Pittsburgh region's reputation, we shouldn't forget how Representative John Murtha (D) nearly blew his reelection by referring to a lot of his Western PA constituents as rednecks.

Then there's this piece

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/business/economy/08collapse.html?_r=2&hp

January 8, 2009
For Pittsburgh, There’s Life After Steel
By DAVID STREITFELD
PITTSBURGH — This is what life in one American city looks like after an industrial collapse:

Unemployment is 5.5 percent, far below the national average. While housing prices sank nearly everywhere in the last year, they rose here. Wages are also up. Foreclosures are comparatively uncommon.

A generation ago, the steel industry that built Pittsburgh and still dominated its economy entered its death throes. In the early 1980s, the city was being talked about the way Detroit is now. Its very survival was in question.

Deindustrialization in Pittsburgh was a protracted and painful experience. Yet it set the stage for an economy that is the envy of many recession-plagued communities, particularly those where the automobile industry is struggling for its life.

“If people are looking for hope, it’s here,†said Sabina Deitrick, an urban studies expert at the University of Pittsburgh. “You can have a decent economy over a long period of restructuring.â€

Pittsburgh’s transition has been proceeding for decades in fits and starts, benefiting some areas much more than others. A development plan begun in the 1980s successfully used the local universities to pour state funds into technology research.

Entrepreneurship bloomed in computer software and biotechnology. Two of the biggest sectors are education and health care, among the most resistant to downturns. Prominent companies are doing well. Westinghouse Electric, a builder of nuclear reactors, expects to hire 350 new employees a year for the foreseeable future. And commercial construction, plunging in most places, is still thriving partly because of big projects like a casino and an arena for the Penguins hockey team.

The question is whether Pittsburgh can serve as a model for Detroit and other cities in the industrial Midwest as they grapple with large-scale cutbacks in the automotive industry. Even with the federal government’s $17.4 billion bailout, General Motors, Chrysler and Ford are expected to continue shrinking.

The unemployment rate in Michigan, already close to 10 percent, will undoubtedly rise further. State and federal officials will have to increase the number of retraining programs, and develop a postindustrial policy that ensures there is something for the graduates to do. That will take patience and money, two commodities in short supply.

About 4 percent of Michigan workers make cars and parts, with many more employed in related fields. Few regions are as dependent on a single heavy industry. But the history of Pittsburgh, where steel workers fell from as much as 10 percent of the work force in 1980 to less than 1 percent today, offers proof that revitalization is possible.

One reason Pittsburgh looks better in the bust is because it never had a real estate boom. That might have been a cause for complaint among homeowners who missed out on soaring values in California and Florida in the first half of the decade, but these days they can only be grateful.

Housing prices in Pittsburgh were up 2.2 percent for the year ending September 2008 despite a slight drop in the latest quarter, according to the government’s House Price Index. That compares with a 4 percent drop for the United States as a whole.

The big local bank, PNC, was resolutely unadventurous during the housing frenzy. It just acquired Cleveland-based National City, which made too many bad loans. That will solidify Pittsburgh’s standing as one of the country’s major banking centers.

Yet the semisweet spot that Pittsburgh finds itself in was never inevitable. As recently as 2000, it had a higher unemployment rate than Detroit or Cleveland. Just as Michigan has traditionally put all its chips on the auto industry, it took Pittsburgh a long time to come to terms with the end of the steel era.

“The emphasis was on fighting the presumed causes of the decline by getting rid of low-cost foreign imports or providing more subsidies,†said Harold D. Miller, president of Future Strategies, a consultancy. “The assumption was that steel will come back and we’ll go back to the way we were.â€

There were moments when the rebirth of steel seemed plausible, if not imminent. Ryan Campbell grew up in the shadow of the great Homestead Works, now the site of a vibrant shopping mall. When he graduated from college in 2001, steel drew him in.

Mr. Campbell took a job at a small specialty mill as a foreman. He loved it — the huge cranes delicately pouring pots of molten fire, the camaraderie on the production line, the proud heritage of making something tangible — but soon realized he could never make a career there.

Overburdened with retiree pension and health care costs, competing against both imports and modern minimills, the steel industry was convulsing again. An initial round of layoffs at Mr. Campbell’s mill was followed by a second, then a third. “I need to go paddle on a different boat,†Mr. Campbell told himself.

He posted a résumé online and was sought out by recruiters for Medrad Inc., a health care company founded by an emergency room doctor in 1964 in Pittsburgh. Now a unit of the German pharmaceutical giant Bayer, Medrad last year opened its fourth facility in the area, this one for making disposable syringes. Mr. Campbell, 31, is a production manager.

Career transitions could hardly be more painless, but Mr. Campbell has sympathy for his former colleagues, many of whom had a much more difficult time.

Some would be laid off, work in a grocery store or wait tables, and then go back when business picked up a bit, Mr. Campbell said. It was a rational thing to do: The mill would pay perhaps $17 an hour, much more than a restaurant or store.

Mark Conkle considers himself a retraining success, too, but his experience demonstrates how difficult it will be for many laid-off autoworkers to match their factory income.

Mr. Conkle worked for 15 years for Ross Mould Inc. in Washington, southwest of Pittsburgh, as a unionized production machinist. He was making $23 an hour when he was laid off in 2005.

Some laid-off colleagues went directly to machine shops for $10 or $11 an hour. Mr. Conkle took the harder route of retraining, enrolling in a 16-month technical program. His unemployment benefits and his wife Amanda’s job as a postal carrier carried the family through.

Last February, Mr. Conkle, 40, was hired as a maintenance specialist at the Monongahela Valley Hospital, a 226-bed hospital that is the third-largest employer in Washington County and is still growing. He makes $15 an hour, and in this economy is happy to have it. “You’ve got to take a job, no matter what it’s paying,†he said. “Companies know it.â€

The forces buffeting the larger economy are beginning to touch Pittsburgh. Sony recently announced the closing of its Westmoreland County plant, its last television manufacturing factory in the United States. The plant had already been cut to 560 workers from 3,000 a few years ago. And Alcoa, which employs more than 1,500 people here, said Tuesday it was cutting 13 percent of its worldwide staff.

Even health care is affected. The Medrad plant has a hiring “pause.†Built for 500 workers, it has only about 95.

“Folks who are laid off should be given a chance to remake their lives,†said Barney Oursler, co-director of the Mon Valley Unemployed Committee. But “there are never enough good jobs.â€

Particularly now. Pittsburgh had the luxury of reshaping itself while the rest of the United States economy was relatively strong. Unemployed steel workers could leave for the booming Sun Belt, helping the city and region shrink to a more manageable size. The metropolitan area of about 2.4 million has 200,000 fewer residents than in 1980.

With the entire country reeling, that escape valve is closed. A few weeks ago, Bill Shever was laid off from his job in a metal sidings plant in Valencia, north of Pittsburgh. He would relocate, but has not heard of any place where skilled labor is in demand.

“Times are tough all over,†said Mr. Shever, 47. “I might as well stik it out here.†He said two specialty steel companies seemed to be holding their own, and he would try them first.
 
Pittsburgh is actually one of the most hard to categorize cities in the United States. Its too italian, way too eastern european, too catholic to be lopped in with West Virginia. I agree central PA has some issues with West Virginia-fication, but not the Pittsburgh metro. A matter of fact, there is a swath of progressive flavor that extends down from Pittsburgh into Northern WVA, particularly Morgantown. That little town has too many gay bars for it to be typical West Virginia. And West Virginia University brings a lot of college kids that wouldn't otherwise be there.

Pittsburgh is a hard city to categorize for sure, a mix of East Coast, Rust Belt Midwest and Appalachia. I was in Morgantown (2 reasons: one to say I've been to West Virginia, the other to ride the PRT - did you ride it Brandon?), and the city itself didn't feel that West Virginian (saw one gay bar wandering around the downtown) but the drive from Pittsburgh to Morgantown sure felt Appalachian. Some of the outer cities and towns feel more WV than the city itself.

Then again, there's that James Carville paraphrased quote about Pennsylvania being Pittsburgh on one end, Philadelphia on the other, and Alabama in between.

Johnstown sure feels Appalachian too - the best part of that town, apart from the Slap Shot setting was its incline railway, though it really felt rust belt.

Here's an article on Morgantown (click on the links for more flickr images).

Here's some Clairton pictures: http://flickr.com/photos/7119320@N05/tags/clairton/
 
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Western PA,West Virginia and that promised overview of Ohio...

Adma: That article on Pittsburgh 1/9 was quite interesting!

I wanted to mention something about Morgantown:- BIG SCHOOL COLLEGE TOWN - thanks to WVU. Towns like these tend to be more progressive and have culture and amenities somewhat more then similar towns of that size.
I will also mention the People Mover there-a experiment in the 70s by the USDOT. Morgantown is maybe a dozen miles S of the PA-WV State Line and about 75 miles from Pittsburgh.

Brandon brought up the subject of Ohio-I am not sure if this is the appropriate place to post this but here it goes:

Ohio-I have found myself over a period of time from my first-ever visit in the Summer of 1973 until recently in 2005 when I completed going to all of Ohio's 88 counties at least once-is indeed a state WITHOUT a distinct identity.

I can divide Ohio in this manner-using the original four area codes the state had before the area code boom in recent years: 419NW,216NE,513SW and 614SE.

Area Code 216-Northeast Ohio - Cleveland,Akron and Canton have been described to me as "The last Eastern-style Cities" with Cleveland especially having Rust-Belt industries that can be compared to western PA. Cleveland,though is a "Lakes" City with its own identity but is similar in many ways also to Buffalo and Detroit. The Lake Erie coastline has been described as "America's North Coast" by some. The topography changes noticeably even in an relatively short stretch between the Western and Eastern Cleveland suburbs. The area up toward Ashtabula can be compared also with NW Pennsylvania.

Area code 419-Northwest Ohio - The True Midwest-due to its flat topography and the furthest E part of the US Great Plains especially from Sandusky and Mansfield on West.
The one good-sized City there-Toledo-has been described as "Detroit South"
not in any derogatory way but because of the similarities and relationship it has with that much larger Michigan metropolis 60 miles to its North.
Northwest Ohio tends to identify with Michigan and Indiana to some extent.

Area code 513-Southwest Ohio - Cincinnati has been described to me as "The Last Southern River City" because of the Appalachian and Southern influence that it has from especially Kentucky. Dayton-just 55 miles from Cincinnati-is noticeably different having a more Midwestern flavor than Southern. When you follow I-71 SW between Columbus and Cincinnati the flat topography Midwest begins somewhat. From those areas E is the beginning of "Appalachian Ohio" with a distinct influence from Kentucky in the W to West Virginia further east.

Area Code 614-Southeast Ohio - is for the most part true Appalachian Ohio. This part of Ohio has nearby Kentucky's influence in the W but then a strong West Virginia influence to the E of southernmost Ohio's Lawrence County-Ironton area.

Columbus-the large City in the center of Ohio-and the NW corner of "614"-is basically not too Northern or Southern or Eastern but more Midwest for that matter-Columbus could be the closest to an absolutely Ohio city-appropriate because it is the State Capitol and largest City-edging out Cleveland in recent years.

That is all for now-I will mention a couple of interesting Ohio State Routes in my next post on Ohio.

Long Island Mike
 
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Language accent observations and three interesting Ohio routes...

Everyone: I wanted to mention also that there is distinct differences in language accent in the Western PA-Ohio regions like this I have noticed:

From N of Youngstown and Warren to especially Cleveland and Akron you have the Northern or "Lakes" accent-distinctly different from the "Pittsburghese" found in SW PA.
There are accent differences in parts of Ohio also-like the interesting dialect found around Cincinnati that I noticed.

The first important route I will mention is Interstate 70-which runs East and West for 225 miles from Wheeling,WV to Richmond,Indiana. I-70 basically divides Ohio North and South.
Small cities on I-70 like Cambridge and Zanesville have an Eastern feel to them but Springfield-W of Columbus feels a bit Midwestern like Dayton nearby.

I-70 can also be noted as the dividing line between the more Northern accent spoken to its N and the more Southern or Appalachian influenced speech to its S. To a trained ear the difference can be easily noted.

The second Ohio State Route I will mention is Route 7 - Running from Ohio's Northeast Corner in Conneaut paralleling the PA/OH line at first down to Youngstown then East Liverpool and then following for the most part the Ohio River S to Chesapeake,Lawrence County-the Southernmost part of Ohio for a total of 345 miles.
I believe that this is Ohio's longest single state route and goes literally from the North or "Lakes" area in Ashtabula County thru the Western PA and then WV influenced areas down across eastern Appalachian Ohio to end across the Ohio River from Huntington,WV and nearby Ashland,KY-literally the beginnings of the US South.

The third route I will mention is Ohio Route 32-which runs 185 miles from Cincinnati's eastern suburbs to Belpre-across the Ohio River from Parkersburg,WV. This route is a 4-lane divided highway for a good portion of its route which is signed in some areas:
"The Governor James A. Rhodes Appalachian Highway"

Route 32 is a main highway across Southern or "Appalachian" Ohio if you prefer. A good example of Southern or Kentucky influence in that SW region is that some counties served by Route 32-Eastern Clermont,Brown,Adams,Highland,Pike and Scioto Counties have a substantial tobacco harvest like Eastern Kentucky across the Ohio River.

Former Governor James A. Rhodes is a son of Appalachian Ohio-he was a native of Coalton in Jackson County in S Central Ohio.
He was Governor of Ohio between 1963-1982 for 5 4-year terms. He passed away on March 4,2001 at the age of 91.
He was Governor of Ohio in 1970 at the time of the infamous Kent State National Guard shootings notably.

Many people-including me-thought of Ohio as a true Northern state but when I traveled around Ohio I discovered just how diverse it actually is.

-Observations,Insight and thoughts from Long Island Mike-
 
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Wow, you really put a lot of thought into the discussion about Ohio. So far as Ohio goes, there is significant difference between Pittsburgh and Youngstown both in architecture and culture. Pittsburgh is significantly more urban than Cleveland, Akron, and Youngstown despite being so close. These photos should provide a glimpse of the difference of Pittsburgh.

Neighborhoods like Lawrenceville:
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Downtown:
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North Side:
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Bloomfield:
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East Liberty, with both commie blocks, and the 300ft Presbyterian Cathedral:
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Somewhere, can't quite picture the community as of yet.
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Lots of old Churches, like this Ukranian Catholic Church temple built in 1895, that are more old world than Ohio.
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http://www.phlf.org/spotlightonmainstreet/buildings/building02.html

Pittsburgh is called everything from the Steel City to Paris of Appalachia. Whatever you want to call it, there is not much Ohio in Pittsburgh or southwest PA.
 
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Pittsburgh: Definitely an Eastern-style City!

Brandon: Thanks for the good word-I feel I needed to describe Ohio in the way I did to explain its diversity. As Eastern as Cleveland,Akron,Canton or Youngstown feel they do not have the distinct style or infrastructure that Pittsburgh has-it definitely has an Eastern-style City feeling to me!
LI MIKE
 

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