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407 Transitway


Wow! "Protecting" for LRT upgrade past year 2051.

First time I've seen a 2051 time horizon being used in this context, in a transit planning doc in GTHA.

In terms of re-utilizing BRT corridors for LRT, could heavy rail or RER style trains not be considered as well once suitable ridership is met?

I've always figured the Mississauga transitway could become RER style rail with the right improvements and a connection with the future 407 transitway.
 
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They want to reserve (protect for) passenger track along with CN and CP in the Missing Link (full 407 freight bypass). I wonder if this is congruent? Some sections will necessarily have to possibly share right-of-way, unless Hydro pylons are relocated.

2031: CN bypass built (frees Kitchener)
2041: CN+CP bypass (frees Milton) + extended transitway
2051-2061: CN+CP+LRT/passenger trains (BRT removed, replaced with track)

I am just speculating here, but the transitway and the passenger track might be a natural progression for the limited right-of-way space for six bypass tracks (see 407 Freight Bypass thread). Could it possibly be the same thing, even?

Passenger track was mentioned as a distant goal in 407 Bypass/Missing Link....is this the same thing as the 2051+ LRT? Could it be, they actually thought of it...?

Ottawa had their transitway for 30 years before it got dug up for LRT, so this would be a similar BRT lifetime...
 
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Sorry for bumping this thread but for the longest time I've been wondering whether this project will ever be constructed and how MTO is just playing political games. I feel as if this is a empty promise that was pushed by some third party to have a hand in province's purse. Compared to other Metrolinx projects this one seems so obscure and purposely intended to be. Does anyone else feel this way? This is the latest news article that specifically covers the transitway and it gives a very gloom outlook.

http://www.yorkregion.com/news-stor...ready-missed-the-bus-markham-councillors-say/

407 Transitway plan has already missed the bus, Markham councillors say

The proposed 407 Transitway, still in the planning stages, is already outdated, say several Markham councillors who argued light rail is the better way for the region.

“This is typical Ontario government,” Councillor Colin Campbell said of the province’s plan for bus rapid transit (BRT) along the south side of Hwy. 407.

The transitway will span 150 km from Burlington to Oshawa with up to 50 bus stations along the route.

“It’s 50 years behind,” Campbell said. “The province is playing catch-up instead of planning ahead.”

During a recent city committee meeting, councillors heard from a transportation consultant, Khaled El-Dalati, on the state of the 407 Transitway plans.

The eastern portion stretches 19 km from east of Kennedy Road in Markham to Brock Road near Pickering.

There are eight possible station locations, five of which are confirmed: Markham Road, Ninth Line, Donald Cousens Parkway, Whites Road and Brock Road. The province is also protecting land for a station at McCowan Road, York-Durham Line and Rossland Road.

The environmental assessment for the central portion of the Transitway, which cuts across York Region with seven stops betwen Hwy. 400 in Vaughan to Kennedy Road, was approved by the province in 2012.

But Transitway construction is close to two decades away – something Markham council wants cut by five to 10 years.

It also falls near the bottom of the province’s transit priority list – after the Spadina and Yonge subway expansions into York, all-day, two-way GO train service and a proposed downtown relief subway line.

That’s why it’s important to protect for these projects today, El-Dalati said during the committee meeting.

“Think of the 401 and where it was 30 years ago and where it is today,” he said. “The 407 will follow that trend.”

Ridership going westbound between Brock Road to east of Kennedy Road is expected to be about 5,000 passengers during the peak morning rush, which builds to about 14,500 through to the Yonge Street station.

Eastbound to Brock Road ridership is expected to be around 1,500.

That’s about one bus of 50 passengers every two minutes travelling on average about 65 km/hr, El-Dalati said.

That’s where the plan veers off the track for some Markham councillors who argued the province should be planning a light rail transit (LRT) system from the get-go.

“Electrified trains put us 50 years ahead not 50 years behind like buses,” argued Campbell. “This is old-fashioned thinking.”

Regional Councillor Jim Jones agreed, calling the bus option ‘obsolete’.

There is no cost analysis for the project as a whole, for each proposed station or a cost comparison between LRT and BRT, he added.

“How can we come up with solutions if we don’t know how much this costs?” Jones said. “We have to know the cost so we can come up with alternatives.”

The proposed station at Markham Road would have 800 parking spaces, a bus loop and a passenger drop off area as well as a storm water management plan.

Stations at Ninth Line and Donald Cousens Parkway are similarly designed but with about 400 parking spots.

The plan is to build the stations first and have buses travel along Hwy. 407 then construct the grade separated BRT lanes that can be converted to LRT lanes as ridership increases.

Markham councillors had several criticisms of the plan, including traffic impacts on major roads such as Markham Road, lack of bird or butterfly friendly designs, lack of tree planting initiatives, the high cost of maintaining storm water management ponds, the lack of a station at McCowan Road as well as the long time frame.

“This is already out of date,” Councillor Valerie Burke said. “We should be seeing more leading edge ideas. There isn’t a good feeling of confidence.”

The city put forward several amendments to the plan: including a McCowan Road station in the environmental assessment; restricting cars passing through local residential neighbourhoods; moving the Donald Cousens Parkway station to the east side of Reesor Road in anticipation of future GO Train service on the Havelock rail line; using leading edge sustainability solutions; and constructing a pedestrian crossing between the Rouge Valley and Ninth Line.

Markham also wants the province and the federal government, to consider a high speed train from Windsor to Montreal using the 407 alignment.

There is public information meeting for the Transitway plan between Kennedy Road and Brock Road planned for later in June, with the environmental project report expected to be complete by the fall.
 
Its not a Metrolinx project, that is why. Its an MTO project. As hard as it is to get information from Metrolinx, MTO gives out even less.
 
To be clear, they are the ones managing the Project. BRT on the 407 is something identified in Metrolinx's The Big Move.
Could explain what's the difference between Metrolinx and the Ministry of Transportation Ontario? Is Metrolinx just for the GTHA/Golden Horseshoe and the MTO is all of Ontario?
 
MTO typically only deals with provincial highways and high level regional transportation needs studies. They have included space for these transitways on the highways they have built in the last 30 years or so to serve as the "public transit" part of the project. They are thus technically highway projects, so MTO manages them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Metrolinx is consulted in design, etc. Considering they are the ones that will be operating on them, but MTO is the one who will build it.
 
Could explain what's the difference between Metrolinx and the Ministry of Transportation Ontario? Is Metrolinx just for the GTHA/Golden Horseshoe and the MTO is all of Ontario?

MTO typically only deals with provincial highways and high level regional transportation needs studies. They have included space for these transitways on the highways they have built in the last 30 years or so to serve as the "public transit" part of the project. They are thus technically highway projects, so MTO manages them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Metrolinx is consulted in design, etc. Considering they are the ones that will be operating on them, but MTO is the one who will build it.

This is pretty much it. Metrolinx is the one making the public transit plan for in the GTHA. In this case, since it is along a highway, MTO would be one orchestrating it.
 
Is it time for ONE agency to be responsible for ALL transportation in the GTA? I'm thinking the planning, construction and operation of all highways, inner-city and intra-city bus, light and heavy rail. Would this be too big and cumbersome, or would this agency be able to cut through all the BS and just do what needs to be done. Build the proper transit where needed, and have the proper balance of transit and highway?
 
Is it time for ONE agency to be responsible for ALL transportation in the GTA? I'm thinking the planning, construction and operation of all highways, inner-city and intra-city bus, light and heavy rail. Would this be too big and cumbersome, or would this agency be able to cut through all the BS and just do what needs to be done. Build the proper transit where needed, and have the proper balance of transit and highway?

Kind of makes sense considering a shifting view of Transportation being a multi-modal network that leverages all the transportation infrastructure instead of separating them into discreet uses. Isn't that the whole reason GO transit was built in the first place? to reduce the need to expand Highways?
 
Is it time for ONE agency to be responsible for ALL transportation in the GTA? I'm thinking the planning, construction and operation of all highways, inner-city and intra-city bus, light and heavy rail. Would this be too big and cumbersome, or would this agency be able to cut through all the BS and just do what needs to be done. Build the proper transit where needed, and have the proper balance of transit and highway?

MTO used to do that back in the 1980's - didn't go so well. The organization is so highway oriented that transit was an after thought. It still is in the organization today - every time they do a highway needs study they look at transit - but always discard it. The options go like this usually:

1. $500 million freeway upgrades
2. $50 million in GO train upgrades

"GO upgrades underperformed, therefor the freeway is preferred"
 
Heya, here's my interpretation of the 407 Transitway with extensions on the 427, 412, and 418.
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It's a nice dream map. Sadly I don't think this will be built in our lifetimes.
 

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