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2023 Toronto Mayoral by-election

Who gets your vote for Mayor of Toronto?

  • Ana Bailao

    Votes: 18 16.4%
  • Brad Bradford

    Votes: 3 2.7%
  • Olivia Chow

    Votes: 58 52.7%
  • Mitzie Hunter

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • Josh Matlow

    Votes: 20 18.2%
  • Mark Saunders

    Votes: 4 3.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 5 4.5%

  • Total voters
    110
  • Poll closed .
That's why you need non-profit and other modes of housing (co-ops, etc). Whatever rental we're getting is by and large targeted towards the upper-middle segment. It's cream-skimming.

AoD
 
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Keeping prices in-line with inflation is ok if we actually match inflation. But the average inflation rate in Canada in 2022 was around 6%, but the rent control approved inflation rate was only 2.5%.

Now, this gets into the murkiness of statistics, damned statistics and lies. LOL

(not an accusation, but a set-up for an explanation)

First, we need to know that the stated intent of the 'inflationary' increase is to reflect the actual increase in a landlord's costs year over year.

While the reference is Ontario CPI; the cap was meant to reflect that an existing building's costs are function of (typically) fixed rate mortgage, utilities, property tax, staff.

These rarely shift at the speed of CPI, or at rates reflective of swings in volatile costs like food.

In a related vein, CPI as currently composed is a poor reference for increases in minimum wage, because it substantially under-weights housing costs (I'd have to look it up, but historically about 25%) vs the actual portion of a typical household
budget which is closer to 50% for many Torontonians.

And developers would still be very weary of unforeseen costs that aren't quickly captured by inflation (IE. spikes in Natural gas prices, or future carbon taxes)

Developers are often not the owner/operator of rental housing stock, but assuming they were:

Volatiles prices often swing down as well as up; you should only be allowed to capture the increase in rental rates, if you also pass on the decrease. For the record, that type of increase IS permitted in Ontario with exactly those rules.

A landlord can apply to cover the cost of an extraordinary increase in Utility bills, but when those costs go down they are obliged to lower the rent again. (this is also true, by the way of AGIs, though few tenants know they are entitled to those levies being rolled back at a future date)

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Also, the initial market-rent should capture room for volatile pricing.

. I know everybody here seems to altruistically think that developers will build rental housing for minimal profits, but we don't have any evidence in Canada to suggest this will happen. And if it doesn't, then the housing crisis will only get worse.

I don't think anybody makes that assumption, and I'm not sure why you derive that idea.

I think those who invest in a given sector have an expected rate of return in that sector; and they will make their decisions based relative to a given norm. For the last couple of decades the ROI on real estate has been much higher than its historic norm. This is true of many formerly regulated sectors like Telcos as well.

If the normal ROI in a given sector is 7% there will be investors at that level; its only when the norm is 20% that you get people turning off the taps temporarily when the ROI falls to 7.

Before I hear.....but they could just put there money in stocks.............

There is a very robust bond market in Canada with yields (ROI) generally in the 3-5% range.

It turns out lots of investors like the security of gov't backed bonds, and/or blue-chip company bonds, and will happily trade a higher ROI potential in favour of predictable, safe, annual income.

Real Estate can be, and for a long time was , structured similarly as a market. You accepted an ROI of 6-8% quite happily, in exchange for a steady income and long-term security (land will always have a value) .

The market was altered over the last three decades to a more financialized model and one I don't think has served us well.

I would argue, among other things, for eliminating REITs entirely......but I digress.


I think we're really getting a bit far off from the Mayoralty here......

A more apt discussion might be does Toronto even have the legal authority to eliminate vacancy de-control?
 
Keeping prices in-line with inflation is ok if we actually match inflation. But the average inflation rate in Canada in 2022 was around 6%, but the rent control approved inflation rate was only 2.5%.

And developers would still be very weary of unforeseen costs that aren't quickly captured by inflation (IE. spikes in Natural gas prices, or future carbon taxes).

So, isn't that what AGIs were created for?

And not say, a means of renovicting residents like so many are already?

I know everybody here seems to altruistically think that developers will build rental housing for minimal profits, but we don't have any evidence in Canada to suggest this will happen. And if it doesn't, then the housing crisis will only get worse.
We have plenty of evidence it happens in other places. What makes Canada so damn different?

Except that maybe we've got an insane population growth, meaning much more stock is required. Lots of money to be made, even if less per unit.
 

John Tory has named his preferred candidate in the election to succeed him, despite previously declaring he would stay out of the race.

The former Toronto mayor confirmed to the Star on Wednesday that he will endorse Ana Bailão in Monday’s byelection. Bailão, a former councillor for Davenport, served as one of his deputy mayors.

Her campaign is expected to issue a formal statement Wednesday afternoon.
 

John Tory has named his preferred candidate in the election to succeed him, despite previously declaring he would stay out of the race.

The former Toronto mayor confirmed to the Star on Wednesday that he will endorse Ana Bailão in Monday’s byelection. Bailão, a former councillor for Davenport, served as one of his deputy mayors.

Her campaign is expected to issue a formal statement Wednesday afternoon.

What bothers me here is not his choosing to endorse someone, its that he publicly stated he would not, and now has.

Same pattern Deputy Mayor McKelvie followed.
 
What bothers me here is not his choosing to endorse someone, its that he publicly stated he would not, and now has.

Same pattern Deputy Mayor McKelvie followed.

Tory also said he would only run two terms.

I’m not sure what impact the endorsement will have on Bailao’s support.

On the one hand, people have largely tuned out of the election, and might only be making their decision now. On the other hand, weather is getting nicer and families are preparing for the holidays, so the late endorsement might not make much of a difference.
 
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This is pretty late in the game for a Tory endorsement, I wonder how much it will pump Bailao's numbers.
 
If Chow does win, and Dofo rescinds the "strong mayor" powers he was previously so hot-to-trot for - or tries to, at least - there's no way the optics for that are going to be anything but terrible. I could see him doing it. He's that petty.

And speaking of Ford (and Tory), I wonder if there's anything to the speculation some of us were engaging in that the real reason Tory resigned was that Thug learned of Tory's affair and tried to blackmail him. If there is something to that, does Tory have any reason to remain quiet about it? Apart from the obvious, natch, i.e. Ford's legendary vindictiveness towards perceived enemies and his almost certain-to-follow efforts at revenge against Tory for not keeping his mouth shut.
 
I'm no fan of Bailao, but I'm going to count these late endorsements as good news. They are too late to affect Chow's chances of winning, but they could help bleed support from Saunders and hopefully eliminate him as a contender in 2026. A third or fourth place finish might be enough to embarrass him out of politics forever. I can dream.
 

John Tory has named his preferred candidate in the election to succeed him, despite previously declaring he would stay out of the race.

The former Toronto mayor confirmed to the Star on Wednesday that he will endorse Ana Bailão in Monday’s byelection. Bailão, a former councillor for Davenport, served as one of his deputy mayors.

Her campaign is expected to issue a formal statement Wednesday afternoon.

Excellent, she can own his failures then.

AoD
 
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With continued support from Ford as well in the media, we have a split vote for the stop chow camp(s).
 
If Chow does win, and Dofo rescinds the "strong mayor" powers he was previously so hot-to-trot for - or tries to, at least - there's no way the optics for that are going to be anything but terrible. I could see him doing it. He's that petty.
He doesn't need to rescind them. Most of the powers require the use to align with provincial priorities.
 

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